It's hard to imagine someone beating those games with those stats. You're showing up at 16/12 in my 2/4 mines. That's how I played a year ago at 1/2.

Lower end of 20% is normal... probably around 24% is the most standard. Mine was 21% IIRC. There are definitely some very successful players with a WTSD of about 30%, but imo most of the regs I've encountered that have that stat that high are pretty mediocre or bad.

That's strange. I'm slightly more than 28% over the last 60k hands. Maybe it's style dependent..

It definitely is, and there's definitely nothing wrong with it being that high.

i think cts's WTSD is like 30.

yup it's definitely style dependent. CTS is picking up more pots WWSF vs WT@SD than tighter players. ABC tags/nits typically are looking to make all their money @ SD while LAGs are trying to pickup the small pots.

Here is a stat that I grabbed from CTS's blog I think back in November? Could be December... don't remember:

EDIT: actually I'm taking down the image. I should probably ask permission before just posting it where I feel like. At any rate his WWSF is about 49% while WTSD is at 30 W@SD is 49. Plays a 35/29 game which has probably changed since Nov/Dec

http://www.pokerplayerwinnings.com/?s=1&uid=6112

alldie owns 1knl?

i bluffed him a f-in TON of $$ today because that MF never folds

i think this was true in 2006 but more shortstackers + higher aggression means showing down is 'in'. i can't imagine there are that many regs below 25.

then its not the same person because he used to fold postflop pretty easily when scare cards came. not to mention the huge difference in stats from 2/4 to 5/10.

probably not the ideal place to ask, but does anyone know the site like this but for pokerstars results?

that pokerplayerwinnings site isnt close to accurate

and more agilitybob fun:
2nd and last hand

Full Tilt Poker Game #6961104982: Table Effort (heads up) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:08:08 ET - 2008/06/25
Seat 1: Jeffmet3 ($2,000)
Seat 2: agilitybob ($760)
agilitybob posts the small blind of $10
Jeffmet3 posts the big blind of $20
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jeffmet3 [3s 3c]
agilitybob raises to $60
Jeffmet3 calls $40
*** FLOP *** [Jd 8d 3d]
Jeffmet3 checks
agilitybob bets $120
Jeffmet3 raises to $240
agilitybob raises to $700, and is all in
Jeffmet3 calls $460
agilitybob shows [Js Th]
Jeffmet3 shows [3s 3c]
*** TURN *** [Jd 8d 3d] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 8d 3d 9c] [2c]
agilitybob shows a pair of Jacks
Jeffmet3 shows three of a kind, Threes
Jeffmet3 wins the pot ($1,519.50) with three of a kind, Threes
agilitybob is sitting out

haha, i waited for him to come back

Full Tilt Poker Game #6961243537: Table Aspect (heads up) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:19:44 ET - 2008/06/25
Seat 1: superquad1 ($4,261)
Seat 2: Jeffmet3 ($2,571)
Jeffmet3 posts the small blind of $10
superquad1 posts the big blind of $20
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jeffmet3 [Ad Th]
Jeffmet3: where are u from
Jeffmet3 raises to $60
superquad1 has 15 seconds left to act
superquad1 raises to $100
Jeffmet3 calls $40
*** FLOP *** [7c Jd Qh]
superquad1 has 15 seconds left to act
superquad1 bets $100
Jeffmet3 calls $100
*** TURN *** [7c Jd Qh] [9h]
superquad1 has 15 seconds left to act
superquad1 bets $400
Jeffmet3 calls $400
*** RIVER *** [7c Jd Qh 9h] [3c]
superquad1 has 15 seconds left to act
superquad1 has timed out
superquad1 checks
Jeffmet3 bets $20
superquad1 has 15 seconds left to act
superquad1 folds
Uncalled bet of $20 returned to Jeffmet3
Jeffmet3 mucks
Jeffmet3 wins the pot ($1,199.50)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1,200 | Rake $0.50
Board: [7c Jd Qh 9h 3c]
Seat 1: superquad1 (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: Jeffmet3 (small blind) collected ($1,199.50), mucked

i had to quit superquad because of how god damn annoying it is to play nit fish who limp 95% of the hands they play and bet mini on the flop

<3 polrea

he has like $2k left in his account. we played some other weird ass hands. nice guy though. he was doing weird overbetting **** vs me

WHAT THE ****. IN LIKE TWO ****ING MINUTES lkfdsjghfdslkjhgjk

mdistenfeld posts the small blind of $25
BodaciousBro posts the big blind of $50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BodaciousBro [Ad Ah]
LOLWHODAT raises to $175
OneUponAStar has 15 seconds left to act
OneUponAStar raises to $500
mdistenfeld folds
BodaciousBro has 15 seconds left to act
BodaciousBro raises to $1,455
LOLWHODAT folds
OneUponAStar has 15 seconds left to act
OneUponAStar calls $955
*** FLOP *** [7c 5h 6c]
BodaciousBro has 15 seconds left to act
BodaciousBro bets $1,999
OneUponAStar has 15 seconds left to act
OneUponAStar raises to $10,534, and is all in
BodaciousBro calls $7,376, and is all in
OneUponAStar shows [6d 5c]
BodaciousBro shows [Ad Ah]
Uncalled bet of $1,159 returned to OneUponAStar
*** TURN *** [7c 5h 6c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [7c 5h 6c Ts] [3d]
OneUponAStar shows two pair, Sixes and Fives
BodaciousBro shows a pair of Aces
OneUponAStar wins the pot ($21,858) with two pair, Sixes and Fives
BodaciousBro adds $5,000

OneUponAStar posts the small blind of $25
mdistenfeld posts the big blind of $50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BodaciousBro [Kd As]
BodaciousBro raises to $175
LOLWHODAT has 15 seconds left to act
LOLWHODAT raises to $550
OneUponAStar folds
mdistenfeld folds
BodaciousBro has 15 seconds left to act
BodaciousBro has requested TIME
BodaciousBro raises to $1,425
LOLWHODAT has 15 seconds left to act
LOLWHODAT has requested TIME
LOLWHODAT raises to $9,750, and is all in
BodaciousBro calls $8,325
LOLWHODAT shows [5c 8c]
BodaciousBro shows [Kd As]
*** FLOP *** [2h 9s 5d]
*** TURN *** [2h 9s 5d] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [2h 9s 5d Qs] [8d]
LOLWHODAT shows two pair, Eights and Fives
BodaciousBro shows Ace King high
LOLWHODAT wins the pot ($19,573) with two pair, Eights and Fives
BodaciousBro adds $4,750

someone shoot me in the face for grinding all day for that.

cMeWinS wins best chat award imo

Full Tilt Poker Game #6962007901: Table Wyteazn (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:30:52 ET - 2008/06/25
Seat 2: SilentAssassin3 ($4,633.50)
Seat 4: moerv1981 ($994)
Seat 5: RomanGlad ($300)
moerv1981 posts the small blind of $5
RomanGlad posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SilentAssassin3 [As 6s]
SilentAssassin3 raises to $35
moerv1981 calls $30
RomanGlad folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh Ah Ac]
moerv1981 checks
SilentAssassin3 has 15 seconds left to act
SilentAssassin3 bets $50
moerv1981 calls $50
*** TURN *** [Qh Ah Ac] [Ad]
moerv1981 checks
SilentAssassin3 has 15 seconds left to act
SilentAssassin3 bets $140
moerv1981 calls $140
*** RIVER *** [Qh Ah Ac Ad] [Kh]
moerv1981 checks
SilentAssassin3 has 15 seconds left to act
SilentAssassin3 bets $315
moerv1981 has 15 seconds left to act
moerv1981 raises to $769, and is all in
SilentAssassin3 calls $454
*** SHOW DOWN ***
moerv1981 shows [4d 4h] a full house, Aces full of Fours
SilentAssassin3 shows [As 6s] four of a kind, Aces
SilentAssassin3 wins the pot ($1,997) with four of a kind, Aces
moerv1981 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1,998 | Rake $1
Board: [Qh Ah Ac Ad Kh]
Seat 2: SilentAssassin3 (button) showed [As 6s] and won ($1,997) with four of a kind, Aces
Seat 4: moerv1981 (small blind) showed [4d 4h] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Fours
Seat 5: RomanGlad (big blind) folded before the Flop

lol wat

lol, never saw this coming

when ur playing this tight u can get away with playing very aggro - just my 2 cents

friday4am plz play more often lol

It would seem to me that if you play that tight and only have 40% won when seen flop, you probably need a coach.

Uh he had a FULL HOUSE.

He thought he had quints. Standard misread.