Need advice on the river, can i realy call this hand? the way its played i feel like im facing kk here at the best. This is rush poker and i have no history on this player.


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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BB: $12.90
UTG: $29.20
UTG+1: $55.00
UTG+2: $62.20
MP1: $50.00
Hero (MP2): $74.80
CO: $30.95
BTN: $17.45
SB: $93.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP2 with A 5
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, SB raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.25

Flop: ($10.50) 8 K 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB raises to $15.50, Hero calls $9.50

Turn: ($41.50) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($41.50) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $41.50

Why not b/3B(shove) flop? Big hand big pot. This is a 3B pot and he c/r'ed you... that is probably either air or a monster - if its air then we have to count on him dumping more money in, if he has a monster (set, AK?, flush) then lets get our money in ASAP.

River is close to fold/call to me, I struggle at putting 8's and 4's in his range (except 44/88) so the only hands I am scared of here are kk, 88 and 44. Given the way the hand played out I think he could be value betting a flush here... BUT, I think river shoves @50NL are usually big hands and villian probably bets a callable amount with a smaller flush to try and get called be KX, so this is still probably air or boat. Tough decision w/o reads.

click it back on the flop

but fold now obv

Thanks for the info, my method of thinking on the flop was most of the time the turn isnt going to pair the board so i can ship it on the turn, if he has a set and bets the turn hes more likely to call then on the flop(even though most people at this limit are calling anyways). When the 8 came i was hoping to get a small bet on the river and call it, realizing the chance of him having a boat is relatively high. In the end i folded on the river.

this seems like a cooler, but fold this type of hands against sb raises PRE.
the sb is the most likely position in rush that is going to quick fold. beware when you see action from sb

The reason i called pre is it seems that most of the time solid players(this is hard to judge but players i regularly see or players that have the iron man medal) are exploiting the idea of sb being the most dangerous raise. I may have been lucky but i am + money from sb 3betting me when im either button or co(this call was rather loose considering i wasnt either of those) then giving up on the flop.

If you think they're 3betting light 4betting them back is probably better, but not wise. Fold pre, but ship flop.

I do this all the time with flopped flushes in 3bet pots and its terrible. If they want to get the money in you should definitely oblige especially with the nuts. The board always pairs and the fancy play kills your equity against their range especially on boards like this.

Just C/R Raise raise shove, shovel the money in Hellmuth style in spots like this. It will also protect your semi-bluffs (not that ppl are paying attention anyways).

Not to mention at worst he's got 30% equity OTF.

Fold pre or 4bet bluff, its pretty hard to bluff someone out of a pot postflop in a 3bet pot unless they miss completely. 3bet ship flop, he won't fold sets or worse flushes. Fold river, he is not potting a double paired board with worse here like ever.

Mistakes all over the place in this hand.

Flatting 3bets with A5s, a hand which is almost guaranteed to be dominated preflop, is -EV. If you think villian is making a play then you need to 4-bet pre. If not, fold the hand. Calling here is bad. Very bad. Lighting money on fire kind of bad.

Flop - also played badly. Get the money in here - don't allow a 4th club to hit the turn and cost you action. If villian is putting in a c/r he likely has a hand he isn't willing to let go of. No need to get fancy.

Turn - I can't understand why you checked this back - are you scared that he has a boat? Bet with the intention of getting this in.

River - You never should have been in this spot to begin with. See previous streets.

open smaller pre, fold to raise.

as played, river is tough, and i think it's a fold. you can reasonably remove all 4's and 8's from his range, and you're basically only losing to kings full or the improbable four of a kind. KK is very consistent with his play on all streets. but i think AK, AA, and lower flushes are in the hunt at least some of the time. his big bet is either 1) wants to extract maximum value from KK and is praying you have a flush/weaker boat or 2) a ridiculous bluff, maybe with QcQx. how often do you think you'll see the latter?

e: the more i think about his actions, the more i think my bluff/semibluff scenario is fanciful. fold to his kings.