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07-23-2009 , 11:08 AM

theHuntContinues

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Party Poker $25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $28.12
Hero (BTN): $43.11
SB: $50.96
BB: $6.31
UTG: $22.70
MP: $25.60

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 6

3 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.00) K

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.00) T

(3 players)
SB bets $2, BB calls $2, Hero raises to $8.13, SB raises to $16, BB calls $3.31 all in, Hero ???

pretty ghey spot. if called, wats the river plan??

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07-23-2009 , 11:12 AM

djoyce003

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it's unlikely he has a FH. KK is unlikely, maybe he has TT. Decent chance he's got a naked 7 or a lower flush i go ahead and get it in I think. If i'm beat that's too bad.

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07-23-2009 , 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by djoyce003

it's unlikely he has a FH. KK is unlikely, maybe he has TT. Decent chance he's got a naked 7 or a lower flush i go ahead and get it in I think. If i'm beat that's too bad.

I like calling then calling all rivers if I wanted to stack off, if he checks I shove for value.

If he's spazzing out with a bluff I want him to keep going with it.

But ya I agree with you he's repping TT or 77

I think the most likely case is that he has a hand that he wants to go away because he wants the shorty fish to himself and looks like we're trying to isolate him. If we shove he gets away from those hands.

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07-23-2009 , 11:29 AM

Bilirubin5

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I say get it all in there. I suspect its a lower flush that got hit.

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07-23-2009 , 11:32 AM

theHuntContinues

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i doubt he b/3b worse flush here.

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07-23-2009 , 11:35 AM

DaycareInferno

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i would bet flop and as played ship turn. not really sure what else could be reasonable.

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07-23-2009 , 11:38 AM

mg0698

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getting it in is fine imo

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07-23-2009 , 11:42 AM

mOeeOm

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Originally Posted by mg0698

getting it in is fine imo

I think calling is more value long run.

We shove, we only get snapped by his value range (not saying we're beat), but if we call we can let him bluff river/keep value betting the same range that would have called our turn shove. Also odd times he improves with a hand he turned into a bluff.

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07-23-2009 , 11:56 AM

theHuntContinues

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i called the turn. villain shoved river which was an irrelevant card, i called. villain had KK which i thot he only plays it like this <50% of the time.

tbh when he shoved river i thot that he can only have TT/KK but i made the call and felt like the calls might be questionable.

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07-23-2009 , 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mOeeOm

but he is never bluffing here with a empty side pot. (BB all in) And if he has a lower flush we ant to get it in now before the board pairs or another spade rolls off and he may find a fold.

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07-23-2009 , 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mOeeOm

I think he can have other value hands like 7x or KT that we would be much more inclinded to get it in on the turn for fear of a 4th spade on the river. QJ with the Qs or Js or AQ/AJ with the Qs or Js we also want to try and get him to shove with his redraw to the straight (because most of the time his draw won't hit on the river).

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07-23-2009 , 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by theHuntContinues

yeah I never have KK in sb's range...

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07-23-2009 , 12:13 PM

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def not KK.

most villains would play TT this way, but it makes up a tiny part of his range.

you didnt describe villain, but if he was like a 25/10 or something there would be plenty of naked 7s and lower flushes in his range.

if he was a very solid TAG player that you have never seen get out of line, it would occur to me to fold for .5 seconds, then i would shove.

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07-23-2009 , 12:17 PM

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theHuntContinues

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any thought on SB's call with KK in this spot. i dont think its that bad.

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07-23-2009 , 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by theHuntContinues

any thought on SB's call with KK in this spot. i dont think its that bad.

huh?

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07-23-2009 , 12:38 PM

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nvm

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07-23-2009 , 12:58 PM

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i <3 unl

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07-23-2009 , 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by theHuntContinues

any thought on SB's call with KK in this spot. i dont think its that bad.

u dont like money ldo

Anyway I'd ship this turn, villain is pretty much never bluffing, his range is like 7x, boats and flushes mabye KT if he's crazy.
Anyway I'd rather get it in now instead of him c/folding a scare card (4th spade if he's got 7x or a low flush, board pairing if he's got a flush etc)

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