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Nut Flush Draw vs Flop Shove Nut Flush Draw vs Flop Shove

09-14-2009 , 04:45 PM
Villian on the BTN is playing 47/11/1.1 over 1k hands.
No reads of yet as I have only joined the table.
When the SB goes all in for 8BB I was gonna 3 bet pre flop but figured the villian might come along and my AK be good post flop.
On the flop when I donk im doing it for value if my flush or overs hit the turn.
when he shoves he baffles me cause he is so passive post flop is he doing this with overpaird or set to chase out a FD.
Putting my hand vs his range in poker stove im roughly 52/48 fav against his 2 pair, sets, SD & FD. But my pot odds prob indicate i shoud fold. Think I'm getting (1.65:1) but i could be wrong
So Should this be a fold or call



Pacific $30.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $51.27
MP: $29.55
CO: $10.51
BTN: $29.92
SB: $2.30
Hero (BB): $32.12

Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is BB with K A
2 folds, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB raises to $2.30, Hero calls $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($7.20) 4 8 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $4.00, BTN raises to $27.62, Hero calls $23.62

Turn: ($62.44) 3 (3 players)

River: ($62.44) 5 (3 players)
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09-14-2009 , 04:53 PM
3betting pre is better than flatting.Call flop here.
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09-14-2009 , 04:59 PM
If you are a favorite to win the hand it doesn't matter what your pot odds are, you should call. As to what you should actually do, it just depends on how much variance you want to have in your game. If losing a big pot is going to bother you then don't call coin flips, if you don't mind the variance then having the lead makes it a call.

Also don't forget when you do your math that sometimes he only has 1 pair or a straight draw and is just bluffing you. You did bet kind of weak and donked which both can be seen as a bit weak by people. Looks like a blocker bet the way it played out.
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09-14-2009 , 05:10 PM
edit: misread hand.

4bet preflop, because if you don't hit you'll be OOP all the way through.
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09-14-2009 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by secondguess
edit: misread hand.

4bet preflop, because if you don't hit you'll be OOP all the way through.
I think you just misread it again.
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09-14-2009 , 05:41 PM
Yeah its prob better to check and shove to his bet at least there might be some FE.
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09-14-2009 , 05:42 PM
3bet pre, rest is standart.
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09-14-2009 , 07:32 PM
3bet pre. As played easy call flop since you have 2 overs and the nut flush draw.
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09-14-2009 , 07:33 PM
nut flush and two overs hell ill do it
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09-14-2009 , 07:44 PM
everyone is ignoring hero's reads. So a passive player overshoved on our donk, it cannot be a bluff, if it is, it does not matter as this situation occurs rarely. People always levelling themselves into doing some against their reads, like saying they could be bluffing or only have one pair, or a SD. As far as this hand go it doesnt matter how you play as your draw is rather strong. But ask yourself is this the best spot to get his money.
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09-15-2009 , 04:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RimJ
everyone is ignoring hero's reads. So a passive player overshoved on our donk, it cannot be a bluff, if it is, it does not matter as this situation occurs rarely. People always levelling themselves into doing some against their reads, like saying they could be bluffing or only have one pair, or a SD. As far as this hand go it doesnt matter how you play as your draw is rather strong. But ask yourself is this the best spot to get his money.
Good point RimJ.
Normally I would not risk the stack when these guys make a shove like that. But I figured my hand way way too strong to let go there. Even though ur variance is gonna be on the high side.
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09-15-2009 , 09:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckycharms_74
Villian on the BTN is playing 47/11/1.1 over 1k hands.
No reads of yet as I have only joined the table.
When the SB goes all in for 8BB I was gonna 3 bet pre flop but figured the villian might come along and my AK be good post flop.
On the flop when I donk im doing it for value if my flush or overs hit the turn.
when he shoves he baffles me cause he is so passive post flop is he doing this with overpaird or set to chase out a FD.
Putting my hand vs his range in poker stove im roughly 52/48 fav against his 2 pair, sets, SD & FD. But my pot odds prob indicate i shoud fold. Think I'm getting (1.65:1) but i could be wrong
So Should this be a fold or call



Pacific $30.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $51.27
MP: $29.55
CO: $10.51
BTN: $29.92
SB: $2.30
Hero (BB): $32.12

Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is BB with K A
2 folds, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB raises to $2.30, Hero calls $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($7.20) 4 8 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $4.00, BTN raises to $27.62, Hero calls $23.62

Turn: ($62.44) 3 (3 players)

River: ($62.44) 5 (3 players)


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09-15-2009 , 01:14 PM
Coinflip vs AKs,QQ+. Call. Can`t find a fold here.
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09-15-2009 , 01:40 PM
CRAI would be the best line here, we have a lot of extra FE and are flipping vs. 90% of things that call, and there is extra money in the pot
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09-15-2009 , 01:43 PM
Surprised nobody has really pointed out that you do not need odds on a call when you think you are ahead, even if it is only 52/48.

Not trying to be smart here, but would you have even posted this hand if the 2c had banged off on the turn? Hands where you're flipping with someone else's range happen over and over again will basically even out and play themselves. You're never folding in this spot, ever and you shouldn't worry about it. If you're losing money or not winning as much as you'd like, it is not happening in spots like this.
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09-15-2009 , 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RimJ
But ask yourself is this the best spot to get his money.
We're playing in a cash game. It doesn't have to be the "best" spot. We just need to figure out if its a good spot or a not good spot.
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09-15-2009 , 02:49 PM
nh
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09-15-2009 , 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RimJ
everyone is ignoring hero's reads. So a passive player overshoved on our donk, it cannot be a bluff, if it is, it does not matter as this situation occurs rarely. People always levelling themselves into doing some against their reads, like saying they could be bluffing or only have one pair, or a SD. As far as this hand go it doesnt matter how you play as your draw is rather strong. But ask yourself is this the best spot to get his money.
Sooo, you wanna fold overs+nfd?
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09-15-2009 , 03:36 PM
Plz plz plz don´t call pf, this is the perfect spot to 3bet. Flop is a trivially easy call.
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