Nut flush draw facing heat
03-16-2016
, 03:12 PM
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
BTN: 28 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (MP): 110.5 BB
MP+2: 144 BB (VPIP: 5.26, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9
A
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 3 BB, fold, BTN raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB, MP+2 calls 2 BB
Flop: (16.5 BB, 3 players) K 3 T
Hero checks, MP+2 bets 1 BB, BTN raises to 19 BB, Hero?
Is calling pre-flop too loose here? How do we approach this one on the flop? Is it too nitty to fold the nut flush draw with a bet (albeit a tiny one) and a raise before me? Do I have the implied odds to call here or should I be scared of MP2 3betting? Crazy as it might sound, is shoving here an option?
BTN: 28 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (MP): 110.5 BB
MP+2: 144 BB (VPIP: 5.26, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9
A fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 3 BB, fold, BTN raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB, MP+2 calls 2 BB
Flop: (16.5 BB, 3 players) K
3 T Hero checks, MP+2 bets 1 BB, BTN raises to 19 BB, Hero?
Is calling pre-flop too loose here? How do we approach this one on the flop? Is it too nitty to fold the nut flush draw with a bet (albeit a tiny one) and a raise before me? Do I have the implied odds to call here or should I be scared of MP2 3betting? Crazy as it might sound, is shoving here an option?
03-16-2016
, 06:42 PM
Well you were the initial raiser and BTN has only min raised... Which I hate. Three players seeing the flop with you out of position (and this hand) is dangerous unless you're playing fit or fold poker, which is normally -VE.
I personally wouldn't play this hand from MP in a full ring game. You've still got 4 players to act after you and both blinds. A9 is still a trash Ace with no shot at broadway. Even being suited still only makes this playable in late position or defending your blind against a button/SB steal (in my opinion).
On the flop the BTN is now pretty much all-in but there's still MP+2 to act. So if you push I assume you're hoping to isolate the BTN? You've only got 20 hands on MP+2 so it's hard to know if he is a NIT or not.. Hard to establish his range if he's limping behind your pre flop raise then making a pointless min bet. You're only getting called by hands that are currently beating you, in this case a set I would assume (which has outs if you hit a flush even on a unpaired board). If you flat call then you're risking an all-in shove or at very best a very awkward turn bet if you miss your flush. This is why playing this type out of position (against an opponent who is also 100BB+ deep) is bad idea.
All that being said I'm not a pro and this is just my opinion.
I personally wouldn't play this hand from MP in a full ring game. You've still got 4 players to act after you and both blinds. A9 is still a trash Ace with no shot at broadway. Even being suited still only makes this playable in late position or defending your blind against a button/SB steal (in my opinion).
On the flop the BTN is now pretty much all-in but there's still MP+2 to act. So if you push I assume you're hoping to isolate the BTN? You've only got 20 hands on MP+2 so it's hard to know if he is a NIT or not.. Hard to establish his range if he's limping behind your pre flop raise then making a pointless min bet. You're only getting called by hands that are currently beating you, in this case a set I would assume (which has outs if you hit a flush even on a unpaired board). If you flat call then you're risking an all-in shove or at very best a very awkward turn bet if you miss your flush. This is why playing this type out of position (against an opponent who is also 100BB+ deep) is bad idea.
All that being said I'm not a pro and this is just my opinion.
Last edited by milks; 03-16-2016 at 06:58 PM.
03-16-2016
, 09:38 PM
Quote:
Well you were the initial raiser and BTN has only min raised... Which I hate. Three players seeing the flop with you out of position (and this hand) is dangerous unless you're playing fit or fold poker, which is normally -VE.
I personally wouldn't play this hand from MP in a full ring game. You've still got 4 players to act after you and both blinds. A9 is still a trash Ace with no shot at broadway. Even being suited still only makes this playable in late position or defending your blind against a button/SB steal (in my opinion).
On the flop the BTN is now pretty much all-in but there's still MP+2 to act. So if you push I assume you're hoping to isolate the BTN? You've only got 20 hands on MP+2 so it's hard to know if he is a NIT or not.. Hard to establish his range if he's limping behind your pre flop raise then making a pointless min bet. You're only getting called by hands that are currently beating you, in this case a set I would assume (which has outs if you hit a flush even on a unpaired board). If you flat call then you're risking an all-in shove or at very best a very awkward turn bet if you miss your flush. This is why playing this type out of position (against an opponent who is also 100BB+ deep) is bad idea.
All that being said I'm not a pro and this is just my opinion.
I personally wouldn't play this hand from MP in a full ring game. You've still got 4 players to act after you and both blinds. A9 is still a trash Ace with no shot at broadway. Even being suited still only makes this playable in late position or defending your blind against a button/SB steal (in my opinion).
On the flop the BTN is now pretty much all-in but there's still MP+2 to act. So if you push I assume you're hoping to isolate the BTN? You've only got 20 hands on MP+2 so it's hard to know if he is a NIT or not.. Hard to establish his range if he's limping behind your pre flop raise then making a pointless min bet. You're only getting called by hands that are currently beating you, in this case a set I would assume (which has outs if you hit a flush even on a unpaired board). If you flat call then you're risking an all-in shove or at very best a very awkward turn bet if you miss your flush. This is why playing this type out of position (against an opponent who is also 100BB+ deep) is bad idea.
All that being said I'm not a pro and this is just my opinion.