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01-11-2018 , 08:50 PM
ACR 25nl

SB: $30.86 (VPIP: 19.82, PFR: 14.86, 3Bet Preflop: 3.66, Hands: 226)
BB: $26.33 (VPIP: 21.09, PFR: 16.80, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 268)
UTG: $29.44 (VPIP: 19.40, PFR: 13.93, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 207)
Hero (MP): $37.30
CO: $25.56 (VPIP: 23.38, PFR: 21.10, 3Bet Preflop: 15.79, Hands: 319)
BTN: $32.27 (VPIP: 23.92, PFR: 18.94, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 317)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T A

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) Q A 4
Hero checks, CO bets $0.88, Hero calls $0.88

Turn: ($3.61, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($3.61, 2 players) J
Hero checks, CO bets $6.50
Hero ????



CO has been aggressive toward me for a while, attacking me a lot even when he's SB vs my BTN. I've been card dead this session (15/13/2 over 200 hands), so he must see me as tight.

Pre-flop: opening ATo from MP seems standard.
CO cold call range for 23/21 should look something like {77-JJ, AJs-AQs, AQo, KJs+, QJs, JTs}

Flop: Seems like a hard board for me to get called by worse and I don't really want to bloat the pot OOP. Maybe I should c-bet here with a wide range like 30-35%, but on this texture I think I prefer a more narrow c-bet range with a larger sizing. ATo doesn't fit into the narrow range, and it plays well to protect my checking range since I have the bdfd.

Turn: x/x

River: Huge sizing screams polarized range but I can't figure out what his value bets are when I have the Ad and V checked turn. In general when I feel like people's lines are FOS and I have some showdown value, I get stationy... villain wouldn't know that, however.
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01-11-2018 , 09:05 PM
Call or ship it
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01-11-2018 , 10:48 PM
He can have QJ and A9s, probably not AJ.

Ship it is terrible advise.

If you are going to open ATo from mp you probably need to bet this flop. Plenty of worse suited aces you can check with.

I guess we can take this line with A9. We might b/f river though. We probably have to call since we are close to top of our range and should never have an ace here from V's perspective. Certainly not a better one. He can have a lot of hands that are trying to get us to fold some middle pair.

Edit: i think v usually has a flush here but since we butchered the hand and made AT the top of our range we need to call.
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01-12-2018 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
He can have QJ and A9s, probably not AJ.

Ship it is terrible advise.

If you are going to open ATo from mp you probably need to bet this flop. Plenty of worse suited aces you can check with.

I guess we can take this line with A9. We might b/f river though. We probably have to call since we are close to top of our range and should never have an ace here from V's perspective. Certainly not a better one. He can have a lot of hands that are trying to get us to fold some middle pair.

Edit: i think v usually has a flush here but since we butchered the hand and made AT the top of our range we need to call.

just curious if he has lots of 2P type hands in his range why is ship a bad choice here? can I credibly rep nut flush by jamming over his overbet to get him off JTdd or similar?

maybe i’m going too far with blockers but seems like with Ad we’re blocking a lot of the hands he’d flat CO vs MP that can call river (obv. he has no suited Axdd, nor can he have 2p with Ad {AdQx, etc} which are his best hands to call a river x/jam)

also in hindsight I agree I should probably flop bet but I think I’m betting all Axdd? or maybe most Axdd and check some of the wheel Axdd?


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01-12-2018 , 01:47 AM
This table makes me want to leave Ignition asap to play on ACR!

Best advice of this thread: find a better table...esp w/a 15% 3-bettor on your left.
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01-12-2018 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
This table makes me want to leave Ignition asap to play on ACR!

Best advice of this thread: find a better table...esp w/a 15% 3-bettor on your left.


yeah I’m going to be iffy in a lot of marginal spots, I just moved up from 10NL

also ty for seat selection advice, i’ve legitimately never thought about trying to find better tables. would it hinder my growth as a player though? I’m not concerned at all with money since I’ve won enough at 2nl, 5nl, and 10nl to have 50BI at 25nl for this shot. I just want to get better


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01-12-2018 , 05:06 AM
I’m calling. We have pretty much the nut bluffcatcher here right? Villain is aggressive and I suspect is capable of attacking your perceived capped range. Shoving is pretty sexy. I’d probably just bet my flushes on the river but maybe going for x/r is best against this guy. Against a lot of micros villains bluff raising river is suicidal, sure, but I think this is one of the better spots for it.
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01-12-2018 , 05:18 AM
I expect only flushes he can have here are 98s,T9s and KTs (maybe lower SCs but it’s not like he’s cold calling a load pre). Our blocker is great here, especially combined with Q and Jd being on the board. Sets seem unlikely given stats (small sample, sure) and flop/turn play.
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01-12-2018 , 07:42 AM
SHIP IT
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01-12-2018 , 04:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by apricotjello
just curious if he has lots of 2P type hands in his range why is ship a bad choice here? can I credibly rep nut flush by jamming over his overbet to get him off JTdd or similar?

maybe i’m going too far with blockers but seems like with Ad we’re blocking a lot of the hands he’d flat CO vs MP that can call river (obv. he has no suited Axdd, nor can he have 2p with Ad {AdQx, etc} which are his best hands to call a river x/jam)

also in hindsight I agree I should probably flop bet but I think I’m betting all Axdd? or maybe most Axdd and check some of the wheel Axdd?


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Because I don't think we ever play a flush this way and I don't think he is folding 2p.
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01-12-2018 , 05:05 PM
I would go with the consensus and call also.
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01-13-2018 , 01:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simplelessons
Because I don't think we ever play a flush this way and I don't think he is folding 2p.
We have plenty of Axdiamonds that will play this way.

You probably don't have it though.
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01-13-2018 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by apricotjello
also ty for seat selection advice, i’ve legitimately never thought about trying to find better tables. would it hinder my growth as a player though? I’m not concerned at all with money since I’ve won enough at 2nl, 5nl, and 10nl to have 50BI at 25nl for this shot. I just want to get better
I was unsure how to answer this. My knee jerk reaction was "do you want to make money or swing dicks at the tables". But thinking about it for a bit, I think the answer is to try to find mainly good games so you can make money but challenge yourself on tough tables once in a while. Sauce would agree. I stole that from him.
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01-13-2018 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Swedishmonkey
We have plenty of Axdiamonds that will play this way.

You probably don't have it though.
Lol sassy.
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01-15-2018 , 07:52 PM
Results:

I jam, V folds. In hindsight I think I lean a little bit more toward call given the advice of people in this thread, but in the moment I had Ad facing an overbet and wanted to rip it.

Also ty @.isolated for the seat selection advice; seems like a good idea to challenge myself when I feel like I’m on my A game but try to keep green line up in other spots.


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01-15-2018 , 08:08 PM
Probably just flat call but this is the kind of radical out of the box thinking to maximise winrates!
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01-16-2018 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Swedishmonkey
Call or ship it
This.
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01-16-2018 , 09:47 PM
Why didn't you bet otf? Villain is really polarized here.
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01-16-2018 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkytheFish
Why didn't you bet otf?
You could read the OP.
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01-17-2018 , 04:59 PM
Well ****ing played, sir!
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