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NLHU400: 3bet Pot - turn/riverplay NLHU400: 3bet Pot - turn/riverplay

09-23-2010 , 07:34 AM
Hi,

i joined this guy on a table myself - seems like he is a reg waiting for action.

I only played him for 60hand before the hand happened and only get a few reads.

He opens pretty tight on button (55%), 3bets very rarely (1time only), calls 45% in BB and plays more passive oop, he cbet flop only 1/5 times so far and is chking back mediocre hands like 98 on T9x rb flop and calling down 4 turn, Q river - so he seems SDbound with weak hands so far.

Given the fact that he only folded 3/10 times to a flop cbet but 2/3 times on turn seems he is peeling flop light
But: All in all its just a very small sample.

This is my second 3bet (he folded to my first):

IPoker Network $400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $561.00
BTN/SB: $406.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with K Q
BTN/SB raises to $12, Hero raises to $40, BTN/SB calls $28

Flop: ($80.00) 7 9 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $48.00, BTN/SB calls $48

Turn: ($176.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $100.00, BTN/SB calls $100

River: ($376.00) K (2 players)
Hero bets $373.00

Pre and flop is not much to say i think.

I´m really not sure what my plan should for Turn...with AQ it should be an easier b/c cause he might shove worse more (KQ f.e.) - with KQ its not that easy i think.

I mean villain was more passiv so far on one hand but on another he don´t rep much when shoving the turn.

What do you guys do on turn - b/f or b/c....

Once i get called on turn it looks like an easy rivershove against QT,QJ and he should have these hands more often then a 9 so even if he never folds a Q here its a thin shove for value and i doubt that he is always calling a Q given how boards runs out but he will call a 9 for sure.

What do you do on river?
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09-23-2010 , 10:39 AM
check fold against a guy this tight if there was a fd on the flop it would have been closer but i really think that he folds a q some of the time as by that point he only has a bluff catcher and hes a nit so hes like (fold for the win)its lame and tbh i think that its not terible ether way as you rep missed draws and stuff but still also i bet fold turn.
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09-23-2010 , 12:08 PM
I think this river may be a c/f against villain described
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09-23-2010 , 12:29 PM
My thoughts are that it's pretty hard to see that many villains calling it off w/QT or QJ here against a guy who's 3bet once over 60 hands on a board of 9Q79K. There really aren't many hand combos you'd expect to 3 barrel bluff here facing an unknown seemingly tight 3bettor. Does anyone think you can bet like $110/fold here. I like it because there are literally no hands villain can have reached the river with that he'll turn into a bluff here so it's reasonably unexploitable in that sense. Secondly i think the calling frequency of QT/QJ will increase loads if you're betting like 1/3 pot rather than shoving. Thirdly if he does call, you set yourself up for some cheap bluffing opportunities in later 3bet pots.

It's just my take on an alternative line, as i think c/f is just too weak and shoves are probably letting QJ/QT get away. Villain can also have JT here btw, that hand doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet.
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09-23-2010 , 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MossBoss
My thoughts are that it's pretty hard to see that many villains calling it off w/QT or QJ here against a guy who's 3bet once over 60 hands on a board of 9Q79K. There really aren't many hand combos you'd expect to 3 barrel bluff here facing an unknown seemingly tight 3bettor. Does anyone think you can bet like $110/fold here. I like it because there are literally no hands villain can have reached the river with that he'll turn into a bluff here so it's reasonably unexploitable in that sense. Secondly i think the calling frequency of QT/QJ will increase loads if you're betting like 1/3 pot rather than shoving. Thirdly if he does call, you set yourself up for some cheap bluffing opportunities in later 3bet pots.

It's just my take on an alternative line, as i think c/f is just too weak and shoves are probably letting QJ/QT get away. Villain can also have JT here btw, that hand doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet.
Its any interessting idea against someone weak to just bet small for value cause its unlikly the shove and turn a madehand into a bluff. I think betting 1/3 sound aa bit weird but i actually like it. Yeah its tough to balance but who knows - maybe its not neacessary to balance here....
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09-23-2010 , 01:47 PM
By the way...if we bet 1/3 on river with KQ here cause we think he is not jamming worse very often (but properbly any 9, JT and BDF) - i think betting our whole range (even nuts) is best too cause we get called more often and don´t loose money a lot against his big hands cause i expect him to valueraise them on river.

Only thing is how to balance if we ever going to bluff river with a busted whatever cause in that case we´d jam...

ayn thoughts?
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09-23-2010 , 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MossBoss
My thoughts are that it's pretty hard to see that many villains calling it off w/QT or QJ here against a guy who's 3bet once over 60 hands on a board of 9Q79K. There really aren't many hand combos you'd expect to 3 barrel bluff here facing an unknown seemingly tight 3bettor. Does anyone think you can bet like $110/fold here. I like it because there are literally no hands villain can have reached the river with that he'll turn into a bluff here so it's reasonably unexploitable in that sense. Secondly i think the calling frequency of QT/QJ will increase loads if you're betting like 1/3 pot rather than shoving. Thirdly if he does call, you set yourself up for some cheap bluffing opportunities in later 3bet pots.

It's just my take on an alternative line, as i think c/f is just too weak and shoves are probably letting QJ/QT get away. Villain can also have JT here btw, that hand doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet.
Kind of like it in general but this villain seems very tight when his stats are considered. Cant imagine him bluffing often, nor can i imagine him valuebetting worse. He is most likely to take the showdown. Additionally, considering how tight he is it would be reasonable to assume that he doesnt call a 3bet 100% of the time with QT.
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09-23-2010 , 04:09 PM
Whats our plan if river is a blank?
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