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09-02-2010 , 11:10 AM
Hey,

i was plaing this guy for 50 hands and he was going crazy preflop with 3betting 35% + and calling 30% oop. He steals button arounfd 70%.

We donīt played to many hands postflop cause there was a lot of preflop aggression going on.

This is first time my 3bet get called..


IPoker Network $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $192.90
Hero (BB): $319.05

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with T 7
BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, BTN/SB calls $14

Flop: ($40.00) 8 T 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

Turn: ($40.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $32.00, Hero calls $32

River: ($104.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $94.00, Hero calls $94

I expected villain to step that flop a lot once i chk so my plan was c/shove to end the hand...it plays easier and he might stackoff with worse....

Of course he chks back and all i have now iss a bluffcatcher. Im not afraid of a flush that often but he might have a)..

I hate c/c, c/f line so question is cc, cc or c/f turn?

thoughts
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09-02-2010 , 11:14 AM
you basically flop the nuts for your hand and you don't bet..... why?
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09-02-2010 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by People_Mover
you basically flop the nuts for your hand and you don't bet..... why?
This, you 3b T7 and flop great equity, bet the flop
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09-02-2010 , 01:22 PM
He was so aggro and i thought he is making a stab for sure..ofc it doesnīt work.
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09-02-2010 , 01:49 PM
Hero cbets the flop... your hand is too vulnerable and Villain can reshove on you with a lot of hands
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09-02-2010 , 01:55 PM
your check isnt bad with some history in these spots but this is your first 3bet pot...you were just guessing here at reads you didnt have
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09-02-2010 , 02:20 PM
OKay...gotcha guys...my flopplay is bad but anyway...okay what do we do once we chk flop on:

Turn?

River?
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09-02-2010 , 02:54 PM
I'm calling with your reads. Therse not enough 9s, 4s, or flushes in his range to make me fold. This is air/worse enough given the way you played (poorly) the hand to warrant a call.
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09-02-2010 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tizzl
He was so aggro and i thought he is making a stab for sure..ofc it doesnīt work.
Then bet something small like $11.
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09-02-2010 , 07:07 PM
Bet the flop.

As played I think I bet the turn (get value out of the lone club, tens, overpairs and make it harder for him to bet the river as a bluff if we check) and bail out if he raises the turn.
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09-03-2010 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tizzl
He was so aggro and i thought he is making a stab for sure..ofc it doesnīt work.
Yeah, but the problem is you have to think in advance how ugly the board might get, and not forget that this is not SRP pot, and you give away your initiative for guessing on later streets, when your hand might turn into toast, but if you bet yourself, you would be in way better position.
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09-03-2010 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PureDiesel
Yeah, but the problem is you have to think in advance how ugly the board might get,
Thats why i tried to c/r flop cause then i can protect my hand way better on flop with c/r flop.

Betting flop and getting called puts me in a though spots on so many turncards so i like to get most money in on flop - thats why i think c/r is fine.

I agree...without history and infos i shouldnnīt go for a c/r but once i have this history i think c/r has a big advantage versus betting.
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09-03-2010 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tizzl
I hate c/c, c/f line
b/f c/f > c/c c/f >>>>>> all else, assuming river is non-T/9/7.

Also def bet flop coz he'll often check back stuff like gutters that profit from action killing turns, while he'll call or raise with them if you cbet.
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09-03-2010 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JSpazz
b/f c/f > c/c c/f >>>>>> all else, assuming river is non-T/9/7.

Also def bet flop coz he'll often check back stuff like gutters that profit from action killing turns, while he'll call or raise with them if you cbet.
Not sure if i get u...u think cc,cc is worst?

To everybody who likes betting the turn once flop goes chk/chk...

I think iīm overepping my hand pretty hard with betting turn..while chking is underrepping my hand and induces bluffs (i think my hand is more a bluffcatcher now)...

When u think b/f turn and c/f river is fine...donīt you think villain can bluff river with busted draws a lot (ur reasoning for betting turn is to get value from pair+draw typ of hands or 1card draws or big draws) once he called ur turnbet and donīt made his hand on river...isnīt that a reason not to bet turn/cf river?
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09-03-2010 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tizzl
Not sure if i get u...u think cc,cc is worst? Yes, he'd rarely fire two streets on a 4 to str8 board and FD showing w/o a real hand. Even if he can do it for "thin value" w sets, his value range beats our 2pair on river almost every time IME

To everybody who likes betting the turn once flop goes chk/chk...

I think iīm overepping my hand pretty hard with betting turn..while chking is underrepping my hand and induces bluffs (i think my hand is more a bluffcatcher now)... Betting is in no way overrepping your hand. You pretty much rep nothing anyway coz the flop went x/x so you're not gonna have 9x/flush or any other worse made hand too often. T7 is def above your range. Checking is bad coz you let him draw to a chop or a flush for free w all kinds of crap and he bets fewer hands than he calls a bet with

When u think b/f turn and c/f river is fine...donīt you think villain can bluff river with busted draws a lot (ur reasoning for betting turn is to get value from pair+draw typ of hands or 1card draws or big draws) once he called ur turnbet and donīt made his hand on river...isnīt that a reason not to bet turn/cf river? When you bet turn here ppl typically put you on a polarized range and tend to intuitively c/c you down w middle-low strength holdings such as 2pair or pair+draw. Fish tend to rarely bluff on such rivers altho they can call down light. If villain bluffs in this spot, you'll usually know it 50 hands in and can b/f c/c instead
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