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02-29-2012 , 12:11 PM

waki

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 214

$3/$6 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($600) 27/22 (ep open 22), cbet: 66/48/44
UTG+1 ($582) 24/19, call open mp: 9, 3b 4.6
CO ($612) unknown (23/15 over 13 hands)
waki (BTN) ($1,254) 23/20/8 (sq 8), call open btn: 8
SB ($227) 63/13 fish
BB ($758) 29/24/8

Pre-Flop: ($9, 6 players) waki is BTN 5

UTG raises to $18, UTG+1 calls $18, CO calls $18, waki calls $18, SB calls $15, 1 fold

Flop: 4

($96, 5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets $70, waki calls $70, SB folds, UTG calls $70, UTG+1 folds

Turn: A

($306, 3 players)
UTG bets $150, CO folds, waki calls $150

River: 2

($606, 2 players)
UTG goes all-in $362, waki folds

Final Pot: $606

UTG wins $1,327 (net +$727)

waki lost $238
SB lost $18
UTG+1 lost $18
CO lost $88

no history vs utg really, zero notes. standard? (fold turn?

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02-29-2012 , 12:40 PM

nchips

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 11

TT and especially AA make sense here. Or TKss and TQss.
I would call turn and fold river as you can't really beat anything except a bluff.
Even though he must deem it likely that you have trips - I doubt an unknown would bluff here. Plus you might have Txss.

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02-29-2012 , 01:37 PM

CopTHIS

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,094

Then why call the turn? Those flush draw hands don't seem likely tbh (would you call the turn with the one caller with QsTs?), though possible I guess, and you are going to face a river shove almost every time.

Saying that, I suck at 5-way pots. Someone always shows me the nuts so I'm getting paranoid about it.

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02-29-2012 , 02:33 PM

thepizzlefosho

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 6,206

either fold turn or call down. I'm pretty tempted to call down since I wouldn't expect the locked up nuts to lead into two players on the turn. you'd expect him to want to allow you guys to bluff or continue to bet worse for value/protection.

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02-29-2012 , 02:46 PM

ATOTHEC101

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,957

Doubt I'd fold turn in game but if vil is at all competent you probably should, the river is an easy fold.

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03-01-2012 , 11:42 AM

shootaa

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,535

I'd call and expect him to be value betting worse a decent amount of the time (AT, AKs). This is also a weird way to play anything strong or really anything, which means I'm almost never folding the top of my range.

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03-02-2012 , 02:10 AM

higher_energy

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,911

i really hate his line and prob shrug-call turn and fold river (call if stuck).

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03-02-2012 , 07:51 AM

dougiedan678

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 865

I'd fold turn, i expect him to almost never be bluffing, I guess he could have Tx or 88 but it's highly unlikely

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03-02-2012 , 08:05 AM

nchips

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 11

I guess you could fold the turn - but that means you're crediting him with a set.
He could also have AT.

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03-02-2012 , 11:04 AM

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just_grindin

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,263

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Originally Posted by nchips

I guess you could fold the turn - but that means you're crediting him with a set.
He could also have AT.

It's hard for me to believe that villain checks and then over calls AT.

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03-02-2012 , 11:14 AM

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Khal Drogo

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 924

I think you played it well. People saying he can have AT/AK for value are being ridiculously optimistic.

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03-02-2012 , 03:19 PM

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CopTHIS

Pooh-Bah

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Yeah, hoping for AK is about as optimistic as it gets. And when I say optimistic I mean crazy daft.

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03-02-2012 , 04:27 PM

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GreenDragon

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Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 189

i realy didn't understand line with calling turn and folding river.
and i think bluf here is unreal, so my line - raise turn. the reason is:
only two hands TT and AA now ahead us (6 variants, and we have 2.27% with any of it), and 4 hands behind (AT - 9 variants, we have 90.91%. and KT, QT, JT of spades - 3 more variants, we have 77.27%).
(90.91*9 + 77.27*3 + 2.27*6)/(9+3+6) = 59.09 for me its a good value for raise.

my calculation is correct?)

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03-02-2012 , 04:34 PM

#14

Khal Drogo

adept

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Pointless post. Dumb argument. That math is fine, but worthless and not applicable to your argument.

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03-02-2012 , 05:21 PM

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GreenDragon

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 189

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Originally Posted by Khal Drogo

Pointless post. Dumb argument. That math is fine, but worthless and not applicable to your argument.

the answer of warrior, but not of player

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