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09-18-2016 , 01:47 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37433614

    BTN: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
    Hero (SB): $16.40 (328 bb)
    BB: $4.84 (96.8 bb)
    UTG: $4.06 (81.2 bb)
    MP: $6.39 (127.8 bb)
    CO: $5.16 (103.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 9
    4 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BB calls $0.07

    Flop: ($0.24) 9 8 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.17, BB calls $0.17

    Turn: ($0.58) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.42, BB calls $0.42

    River: ($1.42) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.68, BB calls $0.68




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    this was a spot where i just autobet but on retrospect im not sure i can value bet as hes only calling with 2 pair plus as he isnt calling with hands like k8 only hands like a6 a8 etc and flushes, sets and straights raise flop as that isnt much of a concern but the hands left in this range are 2 pairs and flushes really
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    09-18-2016 , 02:39 PM
    no its fine he call with some Ax too but check calling rivers is option too,just make it bigger preflop minimum 3BB
    gl
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    09-18-2016 , 03:08 PM
    Well played, surely 2p is hand for 3streets value BvB.
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    09-18-2016 , 03:47 PM
    its perfect. Dont overthink this too much. The river isnt great bc it helps villain to do some correct folds but it is still a clear value there.
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    09-18-2016 , 04:32 PM
    what hands do we beat that he calls tho, he never has just ax and he wont float any ax other ahxh and a6,a8,otf, so only hands in his range we beat are very few combos of lower 2 pair and straight draws that he folds anyway
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    09-18-2016 , 05:08 PM
    I think it's fine, sometimes we value bet with the worst hand. It's a pretty straight forward fold if we get raised on the river but at the same time we get value from one pair hands and some combos of worse two pair hands that would just check back river.

    If he is thinking he can defend pretty wide here. 86s 96s 64s some Ax hands that didn't make aces up would call and not raise here pre. He might flat hands as strong as JJ and TT though I would probably 3 bet those some of the time bvsb.

    I think at the higher levels 50 or 100 nl this might be too thin because not only will they fold the weaker hands they will sometimes turn their hands into a bluff and blow you off the two pair.
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    09-18-2016 , 05:10 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bharrison
    what hands do we beat that he calls tho, he never has just ax and he wont float any ax other ahxh and a6,a8,otf, so only hands in his range we beat are very few combos of lower 2 pair and straight draws that he folds anyway
    Well we have 3 options. Bet, x/c, x/f.
    You want to x/f? Clearly weak option.
    You want to x/c? It is better but has an disadvantage-BB checks back all his Ax hands, when x/c should be better than bet then V must have more bluffs than Ax to call.
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    09-18-2016 , 05:42 PM
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    Originally Posted by Shamway99
    Well we have 3 options. Bet, x/c, x/f.
    You want to x/f? Clearly weak option.
    You want to x/c? It is better but has an disadvantage-BB checks back all his Ax hands, when x/c should be better than bet then V must have more bluffs than Ax to call.
    you say ax hands but what ax hands does he have that than arent 2 pair or flushes now, he wont float flop with a highs on this texture. and if i was to check it is to c/f as only bluffs he has are missed straights draws and 5nlz pop does not bluff enough to x/c this.
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    09-18-2016 , 06:10 PM
    I know you ask Shamway but really any Ax that has the Ah can float that flop since they have pos. and A high can still be good here a fair amount of the time. Since we raised from the sb our range is pretty wide and A high is ahead of KX and Qx some Jx hands that can be c betting this flop.

    With the bd nut flush draw with just the Ah there are a lot of turn cards that they can bet to take the pot away if we check. For example if I flatted pre flop with Ah 2s just to give a specific hand. I would float that flop almost every single time planning to bet any 7, 5, T, J, Q or heart if checked to on the turn vs an opponent that has a fold button.
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