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07-16-2009 , 10:21 AM
~10 hands behind with Villain and here's what I've gathered so far:

- Has played 90/52
- Is from Russia and table has big waiting list, so I think he's a huge fish
- When I sat down at the table, I saw 3 players being all-in, villain with QQ vs AK vs AK - he won it
- Has minraise-opened my BB once with J4o from UTG+1. Button called also, as did I with QTss. Board was AK7ddd-7s-9s, he didn't take a single stab at pot. He didn't have diamonds. So I guess he's not the type of player that gets a boner from bluffing and taking down every pot.
- He bet relatively fast


$5000.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $7150.93
BB: $5757.00
Hero (UTG): $5000.00
MP: $1194.37
CO: $10061.82
BTN: $1925.00

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to $150, 1 fold, CO raises to $250, 3 folds, Hero calls $100

Flop: ($575.00) K K 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $287.50, Hero calls $287.50

Turn: ($1150.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $862.50, Hero calls $862.50

River: ($2875.00) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1437.50, Hero folds
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07-16-2009 , 10:33 AM
fold turn
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07-16-2009 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sickofitall
fold turn
Explain? Can't he valuebet less than TT here?
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07-16-2009 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by sickofitall
fold turn
+1

Most probably he is a fish. So I think almost always he will not valuebet on the turn something weaker than TT. And we don't know if he is capable of stupid bluff. So, folding turn is a safe play. I would observe him and wait for better spots.
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07-16-2009 , 11:01 AM
So he min 3bets PF and barrels 3 streets ? I think this is AK+ 90% of the time. As you described he is fairly passive so I don't think he is bluffing you.

fold turn imho
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07-16-2009 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ezdonkey
Explain? Can't he valuebet less than TT here?
he just does not look like a guy that is v-betting that thin here + he has to 3bet 99- in the first place + he has to min 3bet 99- which in sum makes it pretty unlikely that he is v-betting worse here.
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07-16-2009 , 11:50 AM
if you've seen him make that raise preflop in the last 9 hands i'd probably 4bet. i'd also fold turn...by the river it's probably worth a call for 1/2 pot just because all we know about him is he's russian and crazy.
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07-16-2009 , 11:55 AM
This spot is entirely feel dependent. With that being said your line is bad. When you call that turn you base that on him being erratic/stupid/crazy enough to not being able to fold that river for that prize.
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07-16-2009 , 11:57 AM
i dont like 4betting pre, and i think folding turn is not so easy to do, i think against this type of plr i wud have to just pay off the river cos fishies thought process' on bluffing is ''well i cant win the pot by checking and he hasnt raised me so maybe i should bet half pot in case his nothing is better than my nothing''.
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07-16-2009 , 12:00 PM
Turn is a rather standard call, and on the river we're getting good odds (need to be good 33%). So fold turn based on previous reads isn't that bad, and calling down isn't bad either.
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07-16-2009 , 12:58 PM
Yup, I guess this thread was pretty pointless since it's way too read/feel based.

Guess I wanted to make a statement that I'm playing NL5k without the proper skills. (Well not this guy obv, he's worse than sweaty donkeyballz)

(Btw, aren't we getting 3:1, thus 25% is enuff?)

Last edited by ezdonkey; 07-16-2009 at 01:07 PM.
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07-16-2009 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ezdonkey
Yup, I guess this thread was pretty pointless since it's way too read/feel based.

Guess I wanted to make a statement that I'm playing NL5k without the proper skills. (Well not this guy obv, he's worse than sweaty donkeyballz)

(Btw, aren't we getting 3:1, thus 25% is enuff?)
Oh yeah, forgot to add our call to the total amount. It's 25%.
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07-17-2009 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by nuggetz87
if you've seen him make that raise preflop in the last 9 hands i'd probably 4bet. i'd also fold turn...by the river it's probably worth a call for 1/2 pot just because all we know about him is he's russian and crazy.
this!
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07-17-2009 , 05:50 AM
I always call river and they always have like J8o.
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07-17-2009 , 06:07 AM
You played it fine imo.
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07-18-2009 , 07:51 PM
I don't play at these high stakes but wouldn't anyone consider check raising the flop.If he's a fish as suggested then with a K he'd surely push and maybe your check raise would slow him down with any other pair. Just think maybe it would give you more information that just check calling. feel free to shoot me down!
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07-18-2009 , 10:39 PM
call turn, call river

how do you call turn and fold river?
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07-19-2009 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jsme84
I don't play at these high stakes but wouldn't anyone consider check raising the flop.If he's a fish as suggested then with a K he'd surely push and maybe your check raise would slow him down with any other pair. Just think maybe it would give you more information that just check calling. feel free to shoot me down!
With a King he can simply call and I think it will be more often than push. Fishes like slowplay And he won't fold good pair (maybe any pair) too.
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