+1. Maybe the OP had reads that he didn't share, but I don't get it either.

I'm amazed at how many people included things like AJ, JT, 22, etc in his PF range. Calling the 3-bet with these hands (or 65s) OOP against 2 reasonably solid players is just terrible. Calling AQ or 66 is also bad, but I can see how some people might not agree.

However, I like the idea of making a post after making a really bad play like this. The regulars will think twice when playing against you, and the noobs will think "if he can play 65s like this, I can too!"

if you're opening 56s from UTG then what extra hands do you play off the button, witout playing total junk and keeping you PFR at 18 and not higher, yet still using position to the max...?

lol he had JJ

you guys suck at hand reading

good day sirs

I usually instamuck AQ in a spot like this pre flop, and shove AK with the dead money when the action gets back to me. I would think this is a monster(66/JJ) or a stone cold bluff.

If he showed up with either of these hands then I really need to change my notes on him...

Just realised I discarded 9Ts earlier on.

So 44/66/JJ and ~20% of the time a float hand.

I put him on two hands only..66 or JJ
amirite?

Why?

i dont know a ton about him but i was also surprised you called him stable and patient... (if you ask why, its going to be because I thought he wasn't obv...)

JJ/AA is the only hand that makes sense, why would you call a 3bet with 66 OOP 100bb deep, AK probably too even though i wouldnt flat oop.

Can someone explain the maths behind the amount we need to win vs times we flop sets here please?

Its just we have better pot odds and the pot is bigger so easier to win more and there are two people instead of 1 so more chance of stacking one?

I know we have to call more (and therefore less behind if/when we do flop big) and OOP so harder to stack people/win max. but some math?

I don't know specifically what PJ meant, but speaking for myself, I also felt your post was a bit off for this reason: We need to be considering ranges and equity when approaching situations, rather than approaching them on the basis of "hell, I'm going to mix it up and play 56hh all the way to the river and then donk-steal". That seems closer to spew than trickiness/unpredictablity.

So here, when we look at our equity at each point, it's only really the turn where we make a clearly correct EV play. Equally, when we consider villain's ranges preflop/flop/river, we really aren't in great shape at any point: a. preflop even with dead money b. against his made hand range on the flop c. against his overcard to 6 range on the flop and d. against his calling/folding ranges on the river.

So that leaves the question of whether we should look at the flop and decide that we should "make a move" on a scare card or on the river, which is what Noga must have decided. But often, to get his range of better hands to fold we will need to fire twice on that scare card, and if we wait till river, many PP's are not folding to one street getting better than 2.5/1. Certainly A's aren't.

I agree with you that trickiness and unpredictablity is great, but it's only great if the situation is suitable.

Anyway, that's how I saw it, maybe PJ meant something else. And I am certinaly open to correction because I do need to play trickier than I do.

I meant it from the perspective of noga being an opponent. The fact that someone as straightforward/patient/whatever as him can turn up with 65hh here shows that putting someone on a rigid range, without including the chance that he's doing something weird, rarely leads to a very realistic assessment of the situation.

nog if you had 65hh I really think preflop is a huge leak.

It is only a HUGE leak if he does it over and over again (which i don't think).

Whatever, i don't understand why this thread get so much attention.

How is calling the 3bet with 66 a leak, but with JJ not? They play very similarly in multiway pots OO w/o the lead. I call with both.

Because JJ may well be the best hand. Also, it is possible that all 3 of you have pairs....so set-over-set becomes a real possiblity. In this case, you dont want to be the guy with 66.

uhh 66 plays VERY differently than JJ as tons of hands have so much more equity against 66 than JJ. Anyways, the only real credible hand here is JJ, or AQ, which is unlikely. I think that villain didn't have squat if he folded to your riverbet, because if this board hit any of his hand he's calling the river bet. I don't know what hand you have but if it was any pair it may have been best.

if you played 66 this way, you are missing lots of value

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