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11-17-2008 , 10:47 AM

railgun

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,355

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+2: $52.70
MP1: $29.50
MP2: $46.25
CO: $28.70
BTN: $28.20
SB: $39.50
Hero (BB): $54.00
UTG: $21.30
UTG+1: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 6

4 folds, MP2 raises to $1.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

Turn: ($3.25) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP2 raises to $7.50, Hero calls $5

River: ($18.25) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $15.50, Hero calls $15.50

No reads, seems to be a tight table. what's my plan

the flop check behind coupled wiht the raise... really looks like AAA, and there's no way he's bluffing that river... can i ever fold ... with timing tells also giving off that he has a nut?

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11-17-2008 , 10:53 AM

ale1teixeira

adept

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 851

I can't keep answering your questions, that will likely make you a worst player!

To the hand:
If that's what he had(AA) thank him for not staking you.

There is also the str8 there, but I don't think 44 would have checked to flop.

good luck

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11-17-2008 , 11:00 AM

Skuzzy

adept

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your plan is to watch the hands turned face up and see if you won or not?

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11-17-2008 , 11:27 AM

railgun

old hand

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...and then post it on 2p2 and see if anyone has a better suggestion

and urs would be...?

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11-17-2008 , 02:08 PM

cmac99

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 369

Wow..... you played this hand super passively.... Your basically looking at the #1 flop that you could want with a 66 hand.

Mistake #1 - Not betting flop

Mistake #2 - Not pushing the turn

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11-17-2008 , 02:11 PM

railgun

old hand

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why do u think a front bet is better then a c/r? imo a check raise is much better and i'll give you my reasoning... but first i want to hear yours so that what i say doesn't influence the way you answer

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11-17-2008 , 02:20 PM

railgun

old hand

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u better do a good job bc there are many many reasons imo why attempting a c/r on flpo is much smarter then betting

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11-17-2008 , 02:21 PM

booger369

Pooh-Bah

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i dont really have a set way of playing that dry flop with a set but lemme ask u this. if u checkraise that flop what will villain call u with?

if u had ak in villain's shoes would u be happy with ur hand when u get checkraised on that pathetic flop.

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11-17-2008 , 02:23 PM

booger369

Pooh-Bah

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and if u think a checkraise is so beautiful meaning u really think villain is gonna call u with an ace i guess, why didnt u b3b on turn. b call and then check call river? really? what did u magically narrow opp range to man?

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11-17-2008 , 02:24 PM

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railgun

old hand

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no but it would get 2 bets out of me and according to how most ppl play the first hand i posted, a lot more from most ppl

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11-17-2008 , 02:26 PM

#11

booger369

Pooh-Bah

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betting the flop would get two bets out of villain as well. atleast.

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11-17-2008 , 02:28 PM

#12

brocksavage1

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 12,587

Flop is fine. You'd expect the villain to cbet this board almost all of the time. Depending on your read of the villain you can either crai or c/c.

When you bet the turn and the villain raises it tells you that he likes his hand. Time to get the chips in the middle.

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11-17-2008 , 02:28 PM

#13

railgun

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it's a dry A high flop.... this way i get a c bet out of a non ace and 2 bets from an ace at least imo... also i'm not too afraid of it getting checked behind bc it's so dry ... actually this might be the only way to get 2 bets out of KK QQ

a check raise seems strong but not as strong as a bet call raise bet turn or 3 bet flop especially on this flop

when he checks behind and then raises me on the turn 3 betting seems too stupid. He'll play perfectly against me because i don't think he checked behind poc 2s or poc 3s

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11-17-2008 , 02:29 PM

#14

railgun

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what hand does villian like on turn brock that will go in ... most of them beat me bc i don't think he check behind 22 or 33 on flop

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11-17-2008 , 02:32 PM

#15

brocksavage1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by railgun

what hand does villian like on turn brock that will go in ... most of them beat me bc i don't think he check behind 22 or 33 on flop

LOL... this.

Obviously the villain has AA or 45 here all the time.

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11-17-2008 , 02:34 PM

#16

railgun

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he doesn't need to have it all the time for going in to be unprofitable... don't put up a straw mans arguement

also that's what he's representing... if he's totally bluffing , my line takes max value out of him as well
i'd say he has AA 45 or a bluff wherein my line takes max val from him a HUGE % of the time

do you disagree? or are u still lol-ing

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11-17-2008 , 02:35 PM

#17

railgun

old hand

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are you hand reading at all? or are u just looking at the fact that i have trips and impulsively thinking shove?

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11-17-2008 , 02:36 PM

#18

railgun

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i wouldn't have posted this hand if i didn't think it was a tough spot

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11-17-2008 , 02:41 PM

#19

booger369

Pooh-Bah

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its good u put 45 in ur handreading range. to do this shows u accept that villain's raising standard is low. so u also have to put every two pair ace hand in there. and i wouldnt discount ak just because he raised the turn. ak is pretty to most villains. only advice i can give u is ur selectively narrowing hands. u need to include all likely hands and i think if u can put 45 then u can put a 2 a 6 etc.

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11-17-2008 , 02:44 PM

#20

railgun

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no, i don't need to put every 2 pair or ace in there ... does he check behind bottom 2 on the flop? there's a very very slim chance of Ax where he hit 2pair on turn ... it's very slim bc it's not really likely to be in his preflop range but it matches his postflop play

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11-17-2008 , 02:44 PM

#21

brocksavage1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by railgun

Yes I am.

Look buddy this isn't my first time to the rodeo. First off, what are the villain's stats? Is he capable of raising 45 from MP2. If he is, it's probably 45s, which means 4 combos.

Why would 45 check the flop here? Hands that raise preflop, check the flop and take this line on the turn AA, 22, 33, 45s, AK, AQ, A2s, A6s, A3s.

Run this range through Poker Stove and see what your equity is.

(edit: actually don't bother, you seem to have your mind made up that none of us know how to play poker, so why waste your time.... amirite????)

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11-17-2008 , 02:46 PM

#22

booger369

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if u think 45 is a likely hand he might have then a2 and a3 is just as likely. and if he raises 45 preflop then that means he could be raising an ace and gut draw on turn (a4 a5). which means he doesnt just have a bluff or aa 45 (u made ur range either air or hands that beat u?? man...). also take into consideration under sets. and to assume that a bluff is likely is false too. the board is crap. what is he trying to rep?

he has hands u beat that will call. and hands that beat u. i see my set as above that range and play it to stack him.

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11-17-2008 , 02:47 PM

#23

booger369

Pooh-Bah

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the board is unthreatening why could he not check two pair? u assume villains play like u...

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11-17-2008 , 02:48 PM

#24

railgun

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FLOP CHECK MAKES SENSE: AA 45s

FLOP CHECK DOESN"T MAKES SENSE
22, 33, AK, AQ, A2s, A6s,

FLOP CHECK MAKES SENSE BUT IT"S VERY VERY UNLIKELY HE PLAYED IT PRELFOP
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