Villain was playing 44/39 over 20 hands or so.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($85.25)
UTG+1 ($37.50)
CO ($50.00)
Hero (BTN) ($50.00)
SB ($17.80)
BB ($50.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN J J
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $6.50, Hero calls $5

Flop: 9 Q 6 ($13.25, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: 3 ($13.25, 2 players)
BB bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50

River: 3 ($32.25, 2 players)
BB goes all-in $34, Hero ??

Thoughts?

You shouldn't flat 3bets with JJ. 4bet/shove against the aggromonkey imo, or snap shove the turn without any doubt that the high variance line is good against this villain. Otherwise you will get a headache from the postflop decisions.

3 bet %?

3bet % doesn't matter when it's such a small sample.

Yeah i guess you're right MrNutFlush, thoughts on this postflop?

Meh...as I said, snap shoving the turn is sexy somehow, but I dunno if I had the guts to do it IRL. ;P

If he wasn't the aggrotard he is I would maybe b/f the flop. But I think this guy will c/r enough hands that you're again facing a tough decision. That's why I'd take a stand against him preflop. having KK+ it would be a different story and I'd play it your way. And of course snap shoving the river. ^_^

i personally like a fold on the turn but i wonder if that's the inner nit inside me o.O

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You saw that Villain is running 44/39? Ok, only 20 hands...meh.

But dont tell me you flat the 3bet pre?

I thought he'd bet a FD on the flop so he's bluffing the turn a lot, not so sure on the river though

hmm i'm actually not sure.
I really hate 4betting with JJ regardless of who i'm up against

Isn't 4betting JJ sort of turning it into a bluff? Or are you saying that 4betting is better than flatting because if we just call he's going to bluff a lot of flops and we're going to be just guessing when we call/shove/fold?

When your plan is to 4b/f, then you turn your hand into a bluff. But I intend to potcommit myself against an aggromonkey, because I think my hand > his range. I won't fold, but 4bet shove or raise big enough to shove any flop.

I don't say shoving this is the normal play, but flatting 3bets w/ JJ seems like a bad plan against any opponent. What do you do ksight? Stacking off when you get your overpair? Folding when A/K/Q hits? That can't be a money winning plan imo.

If villain would felt AK to a 4b preflop than you should get it in then.

I typically play TT/JJ really passively which may b a leak in my game.
I usually don't stack off when i hav an overpair to the flop unless i hav a specific reason 2, but I also dont fold all the time esp when there's only 1 overcard. If flop comes AKx i'm much more likely to give it up whereas if it comes something like Qxx i'm probably calling a street.

does anyone bet the flop when checked to as played?

@ksight3

I'm pretty similar to you with TT but I probably overplay it too much
IMHO it's real value is vs light 3bettors that don't bluff too much in 3b pots e.t.c

Does anyone call his river shove? Will post results and my reasoning after some more replies :P

JJ is strong enoguh to 4bet pf btn vs blinds vs aggressive player 4 sure.

with a lack of history vs the player in 3bet pots i probbly call this river as i can't give him credit for taking a tricky line w/ a Q and valuebetting well, and i expect to see a fair amount of air on the river considering our hand looks face up.

if u call the turn bet i think u should call the river bet.'

the 44/39 isnt really much of an indicator considering its only 20 hands
we cant really say "oh he's super aggro so we should 4bet JJ here" imo

My thoughts exactly, I called, he showed KQ, i made a note, reloaded, laughed and moved on :P

don't inhale too much smoke from that money fire

Somewhere else in the thread I mentioned why I think flat calling 3bets with JJ is going to bring you trouble. Now pls explain this statement of yours.

Treat JJ the same as you treat 22 when being 3bet, and you'll save a lot of money and hassle down the line.

Otherwise, as played, bet the flop when he checks to you and give up on the hand completely if he calls. I guess you put him on AK with the Ad or Kd on the turn/river(?), but it's never that because AK is always C-betting -- if they don't, it just means they're extremely passive/scared and so aren't ever taking the turn/river line.

KQ surprised me a little though. I suppose that shows us that he'll never give you credit for anything cooler than his TP when you check. On the other hand, he might have thought he was ultra cool and slow playing there (never intending to fold), so maybe I'm wrong... INTERESTING! :|

Well, his range is pretty strong. Preflop, it's a bluff to go allin here. Strong range, no read, preflop allin bluff... I mean, you can't really label someone as a monkey because of 20 hands, so I would treat the guy like a regular unless I have reason to do otherwise.

The board doesn't exactly miss him either; a queen (anything, really) sucks on the flop. You're probably running about even with his range at that point, so a cbet should be pretty value-ish imo a decent amount in a hand like this. Anyway, I don't see why his turn lead can't be a missed flop c/r a lot of the time.

If the flop had lower cards I'd understand the idea of a missed c/r but with a Q9x and a FD out there I'm not convinced anyone would want to check as the PFR as you can give the draws a free card.

insta-fold river. He did not cbet and now he shoves. He could have bluffed the flop but instead you assume he planned a turn+river bluff shove?