Villain 31/0. Expect him to be very strong on the flop and think i got enough implied odds to draw to the nuts.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $60.25
BTN: $51.04
SB: $153.40
BB: $56.38
Hero (UTG): $50.00

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J Q

Hero raises to $1.50, fold, fold, SB calls $1.25, fold

Flop: ($3.50, 2 players) 9 8 7
SB checks, Hero bets $2.00, SB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($12.50, 2 players) T
SB bets $6.00

I'd probably fold OTF.

As played call OTT. If he bets a decent amount OTR easy ship. If the checks OTR I would make a small value bet like $8 to get value from 6's and some 2 pairs.

Why you want to go for small value when villain is a fish?

Huge lol at folding flop IP with gutter+two overs to almost a minraise. I would raise turn now, if there wasnt a fd on flop i would most likely just call again.

Because fish can see that there is 4 to a str8 on the board. The fish will bet all his T's and probably check all 6's one pair combos 2 pair combos and sets. Against his checking range I would bet small to get value because he won't call a big raise.

It's a passive fish 31/0. Don't think his range will be very air heavy. If we call we may have 10 outs, however we are not even sure that a Q or J is an out. Don't think it'll be profitable in the long run to call OTF.

Given the fact that you have 3outs to the nuts, and when you hit there is 4card str8 on board, i think that's a bit thin. Unless he was huge station.

I probably call that as well, but not because i think he is very strong, more like we are sometimes even ahead here and Q and J maybe outs as well. He can do it with hand like T5cc. And usually checks the turn unimproved.

Now stick to the plan and raise the turn big. If your read was correct he is not folding his sets, JT, 6x, fd. And there are many bad cards to come at river, 7,8,9,T,J,any

I raise turn, he might have sets,2P, worse str8 and flush draws maybe. all those call turn raise, and there are cards that might kill the action. And if you call turn and he checks i would bet big for value he won't lay down his sets or 2p.

I figured he wouldnt be folding a straight or a set, so i just went ahead and jammed the turn...he folded his 6 5s and showed. Lucky i didnt see the outcome before i finished the session.

^^ lol, nice one.

So if i would raise and the river paired the board with a 9, is it still a jam? What if the river paired the 10s. Then his 2 pair type hands from flop are counterfited and its an easier shove?

You got owned pretty hard. No need to jam

You jammed $44? Why? Reraise turn, as he would call with the hand he has and all 2 pairs, all draws, all sets. You made it a very easy fold for him.

For what it's worth, i think some of the replies above are playing this in isolation rather than playing against a range. Yeh he folded the idiot end of the straight but people are forgetting he could be doing this with much more that is going to pay us off.

Repeat this play 100 times and we lose money IMO.

Calling and letting him bet again on the river is next best option > jamming > folding. When you have the nuts you have to get him to put as much money in as possible to see the next card without making him fold. That would best be achieved by a reraise on the flop imo.

This is clearly wrong.

sorry i never realised calling flop check raises to hit gut shots were profitable.

i'll go tell phil gordon to go rewrite every book he's ever written.

having no pair and calling a reraise that has to be either beating us or complete air means that most of the time we're calling to hit a 17% shot.

also you took my quote out of context where i said shoving was awful.

thinking the villain cannot have a hand that pays off a straight just makes you a moron.

789T.

were ahead of 45, 77, 88, 99, TT, kk, aa, qq, any two clubs. do you know how many hands that is?

that he happened to have 45 though is very important i suppose. results orientated advice FTW

Read above, I said that he should fold OTF when he faced the reraise.

i don't see where i directly quoted any of your hand analysis..

and when i said this is a losing play i meant calling the flop c/r. so it appears we're agreeing. so i don't see why you even quoted me. the first sentence in the bit you quoted from me is talking about once the turn has hit. the bit saying it's a losing play refers to calling the flop. crossed wires, perhaps.

Think we agree. Sry for the bold statement to the qoute. Guess I misunderstood what you meant.

no worries man it happens.

i reread your post and agree with you anyway, the people lolling at you are obviously spewy.

calling raises in or out of position to hit 17% chances is just bleeding money away because you're rarely gonna hit.

calling to hit these odds and then shoving is just pretty much the worst line in all of poker. i'd prefer limp calling station play over this

U are obv a very smart person that knows what are implied odds and knows exactly how donks play. I bow before u my lord.

LOL.

donk? he folded a straight to your really bad shove. yeah, you've got him totally worked out. never mind, great play.

i love it when people use the term 'implied odds' to justify bad play. calling a check raise to hit a gut shot is terrible. and you just proved it's terrible by insinuating the villain was a donk and yet you still couldn't get him to stack off with a made hand. this means you have no implied odds at all.

not to mention that the card you needed to hit would have made the board wetter than a wet thing, and it's just bad play. sorry, but it is. and i'm not a poker lord, i'm actually not even very good, but i'm not dim enough to think that this is decent play when it's clearly not.

at least try to justify your play without just randomly chucking poker terms around.

edit: reading over the post, you're just one of these people who posts a hand pretending to seek people's opinions, and then just proceed to give your own to make it look like you know what you're doing.

nh

And that ladies and gentlemen is what we call being "results oriented". Finest example.

The guy was running 31/0, which means he was a donk.

If i need help with hands, i will turn to you Captain Heinseight instead of posting here.

And yes, i am the guy who has the balls to stick to his beliefs even if there are loads of people saying my certain plays are bad. Beating the game hard enough to justify that.

Why post hands if you know everything better?

And yes he is a bad player. But you couldn't let him stack off, so he wasn't that bad. And such a massive overshove is terrible, you let him make fold like all hands you beat and where you could get some value from.

I disagree about calling the min ch/r otf being bad here. we can guess we have enough implied odds against this guy to call. But i don't agree with the shove ott, as i wrote i would raise ott. Calling would be my second option though.

In my opinion, Fold OTF, As played call turn, then if villain checks I will Hollywood tank slow roll and act like betting a donk bet of 60%