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06-19-2010 , 03:29 AM
villain is a big loser over a decent sample. no reads as of yet, first 20 or so hands.

what do we do, call, shove, fold (doubt it)

i know QJ is in his range, so is AT and sometimes 9T i would say he is bluffing <10% here so i dno, what would you guys do?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Full Tilt
($60.85)
Hero ($50.25)

Dealt to Hero K J

Hero raises to $1.50, calls $1

FLOP ($3) 3 K J

checks, Hero bets $2.50, calls $2.50

TURN ($8) 3 K J Q

[color=red]checks, Hero bets $6.50, raises to $21.50
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06-19-2010 , 05:11 AM
If we're calling we may as well shove because he's shipping all turns anyway. This is weird, it really looks like you're beat. it depends just how ******ed he is, vs some i would ship. vs some i would think i'm beat and still probably ship. yuck.
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06-19-2010 , 06:54 AM
I think you should shove. It's pretty ugly spot but i can't see you folding or calling here either.
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06-19-2010 , 06:58 AM
without reads I fold
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06-19-2010 , 10:44 AM
shove. I would feel so sick if I would find a fold here, and the only way I would find a fold here would be missclick or disconnected.
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06-19-2010 , 08:00 PM
Shove. Don't really see any way you can fold, if he was bit more agr/bluffy I would even consider flatting, and then calling any river.
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06-19-2010 , 08:55 PM
I wouldn't like to be in this spot, but I'd prefer shove. I guess KQ he would've 3-bet, so maybe QJ? Of course AT and T9 are in his range too. Sometimes I also see bad players trying to get value for their top pair middle kicker like this, so maybe KT could be in his range too? And KT gets also more equity on the turn.

If you know he's able to bluff here and also very aggressive, then maybe call turn and call river, but I don't like calling here very much though.
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06-19-2010 , 09:01 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see a pair + draw trying to make this play here, of course there are some sick made hands also, but I think we just shove here since you don't see any air in his range. And hope that you are getting called by only a pair + draw.
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06-19-2010 , 09:10 PM
9,T,A, heart are bad cards so id ship so u dont get moved off and if he has draws hes snapping
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06-19-2010 , 11:41 PM
I think you should fold, you beat 0% of his value range and this is not a good spot for him to bluff.
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06-19-2010 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Never Win
I think you should fold, you beat 0% of his value range and this is not a good spot for him to bluff.
thats what i thought in the hand but then i figured he would probably take the same line with QJ and K3 sooted... but nothing else really... still fold?
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06-19-2010 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Never Win
I think you should fold, you beat 0% of his value range and this is not a good spot for him to bluff.
ur wrong
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06-19-2010 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Danos95
thats what i thought in the hand but then i figured he would probably take the same line with QJ and K3 sooted... but nothing else really... still fold?
A lot of weak opponents will just call the turn w/ these hands, so he is not always raising these hands on the turn.
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06-20-2010 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Never Win
A lot of weak opponents will just call the turn w/ these hands, so he is not always raising these hands on the turn.
but so many times i see weak opponents spaz out with these two pair type hands because they have no understanding of relative hand strength but i do see the same types of players occasionally flatting with these hands but its definitely not right to say i beat 0% of his value range
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06-20-2010 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Danos95
but so many times i see weak opponents spaz out with these two pair type hands because they have no understanding of relative hand strength but i do see the same types of players occasionally flatting with these hands but its definitely not right to say i beat 0% of his value range
Yea, 0% is a lil bit of an exaggeration, but if he is a losing player he also has KQ and A-10 a %age of the time as well. All in all, very few hands you beat for value. Since this is a spot where he will rarely, if ever, bluff, this looks like a fold.
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06-20-2010 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jmil23
ur wrong
i think hes right vrs a good player but considering you said hes a huge loser hes probably doing this with a sub optimal range like weaker two pairs or a pair and a flush draw or something even though it would be terrible its probably in his range
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06-20-2010 , 03:43 AM
gross spot but i think shove here will end up being the best play. since its early on in the match, if he calls you learn alot about how he's thinking and develop reads from there and if he folds(doubtful) you can fist pump like a champ
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