Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $52.50
Hero (BTN): $80.30
SB: $95.65
BB: $207.25
UTG: $56.90

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q A
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB raises to $5.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) 8 6 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($12.00) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $7, Hero raises to $21.50


OK, I have been pretty TAGGY, and a bit aggressive on button, but not overly so. Villain is 18/11/1.3 (130). I think his pf raise is strong hands, but since he might be getting frustrated by me, this might include a wider range.

His check on flop seems weak to me, perhaps AK of high unpaired cards. Maybe a small overpair. Perhaps a set trapping, although with drawy borad, i think he bets sets, since he seems a good player. Anyway, I decide to take the free card. It was close between checking or betting flop.

On turn, the flush completes, and the straight completes. I has to be a scare card to his range. he bets $7 into $12, and I make it $21, with still half my stack behind. Is this spew? I was bricking it when i did it, but I think villain folds here a large % of times without premium hand. +EV?

it might be a good spot but if he thinks you are pissing him off, he will call sometimes I think

If this is his first 3b against you then you can give an 18/11 a pretty narrow range.
I guess that if you're going to call his 3b in position then you have to be comfortable trying to take some pots away from him when you miss and he looks weak.

I'm probably just going to let it go on the turn without any indication of how he plays but this may be okay and work a pretty decent portion of the time. Your line could look like a bluff or it could look like a straight/flush that didn't want to get c/raised on the flop. He will never fold here figured you have a set or an overpair because he probably thinks that you are either betting the flop with the sets or (if you're checking the overpairs) then you're just calling his turn bet if you hold 99/TT.

If he calls don't try to bluff the river.

I think as far as spots to pick, this isn't bad. He might still shove with some random club and most overpairs but your line looks good enough.

No way, this was the last bit money I put in there.

I recently started taking stabs at NL25 so since it's NL50 it's more of a question really - since we are bluffing why not make it 18-19? Wouldn't FE be on par with 21.5 and we save 3 when he wants to go with it?

Makes no sense, only thing you're repping is a high pocket pair or a set, but would QQ play like this .. meh ..


You might consider calling down, if you wish to be fancy ?

I like the flop check since he won't believe you hit that board at all and all you accomplish is making the pot bigger... but you do kind of polarize your hand to being a set or AK-AQ since all overpairs will be betting this flop.

That turn card and his lead tells me to give up. No need to get involved with A-high since you're 160 BB's deep.

I do like your line of thinking here though, but I think you need to have seen him lay down 'big' missed hands prior to this though to make this a 'non-spew' bet... otherwise you're trying to get him to make a move that he is not capabble of. You'd probably have more success in the long run with this at higher limits than against a 50NLer.

you rep 77 and air noones folding

looks fine to me.

your line looks good. Your prob getting a shove from an overpair with a club. i think the key to this bet is realizing that this is as far as it goes and if he just flat calls you have to sut down.

You would have led this flop if you had a flush draw and overs

The only thing leading the turn is a set or better, but almost all of his range is a straight or better, which could be hard to lay down.

The reason you checked the flop is probably because this is a horrible board for your hand to cbet with, the board just got worse, why risk half a buy in here?

we are IP and not the 3bettor in the hand.


if you are going to bluff then i prefer betting the flop after he checks and hoping he folds to that. a lot of tightish players can 3b PF and check low card flops with high PPs trying to slowplay despite the fact that makes no sense.

[QUOTE=Jer672;5267563]we are IP and not the 3bettor in the hand.
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I don't see your point. If we were the sb here, then it's possible (although strange) that we could have gone for a c/r with a hand like a/q club, but we are never checking this back on the flop with a/q or better of club are we? I would bet here 100% of the time when checked to

I don't mind this move at all, but I would have preferred to have cbet the flop as you could easily be betting draws.

I think you answered your own question. The very fact that you were uncertain of the move tells us that you had your doubts. You're relying on him folding a massive amount of his range which I don't think he's doing enough to make it +EV.

your first point is wrong.

second is only thing i somewhat dislike, he may only lead with a straight or better and he likely won't fold a flush. I think if he shoved on you he had a flush. Luckily its hard to hit flushes.

how do you not bet this flop after he checked if you had a/q of clubs?

[QUOTE=Bluegrassplayer;5267640] I was more being a terminology nit that critiquing what you said. If we arent the PF aggressor then a flop bet wouldnt be a 'cbet' and if we are not first to act then a bet wouldnt be a 'lead'.

oh lol I was confused.

OK if we had a/q or a/k of clubs (only two hands that are club draws which we could show up with imo) then we would almost always be betting this flop after the sb checked.

Hope that clears it up