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NL50 TP+OESD on wet board vs 3B NL50 TP+OESD on wet board vs 3B

04-21-2011 , 06:04 AM
hi there, i'm a HUNL player, and this spot confuses me a little bit. i realized earlier that he doesn't barrel much so figure the best way to maximize value from draws is to CR here. but how should I proceed against this 3bet? thoughts are appreciated, thanks

    Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9101972

    BB: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
    UTG: $56.75 (113.5 bb)
    MP: $290.45 (580.9 bb)
    CO: $106.80 (213.6 bb)
    BTN: $133.20 (266.4 bb)
    Hero (SB): $50.25 (100.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q J
    2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.25, BB folds

    Flop: ($3.50) J T 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero raises to 7.75, CO raises to $17, Hero ?




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    Last edited by kaytEE; 04-21-2011 at 06:17 AM.
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    04-21-2011 , 06:35 AM
    You probably shouldn't be check raising this flop without a dynamic.

    i) Your value range here includes some very strong raise / calling hands, and a large enough amount that you can't expect him to get very saucy with air trying to rebluff you.

    ii) His cbetting range on this flop is very strong. Most players won't cbet this flop with less than AJ.

    iii) His cbet/3b range is going to be excessively strong here; expect his worst hand to be AcKc.

    Your hand really isn't that strong here. It's hard to explain to a HUNL player, but I guess it's kind of similar to having QT with no bd flush draw while off the button. Your certainly not folding, but your not exactly excited about having alot of action go down.
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    04-21-2011 , 06:38 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alexander Young
    You probably shouldn't be check raising this flop without a dynamic.

    i) Your value range here includes some very strong raise / calling hands, and a large enough amount that you can't expect him to get very saucy with air trying to rebluff you.

    ii) His cbetting range on this flop is very strong. Most players won't cbet this flop with less than AJ.

    iii) His cbet/3b range is going to be excessively strong here; expect his worst hand to be AcKc.

    Your hand really isn't that strong here. It's hard to explain to a HUNL player, but I guess it's kind of similar to having QT with no bd flush draw while off the button. Your certainly not folding, but your not exactly excited about having alot of action go down.
    ^

    Nice post. His sizing is a bit transparent too, looks like he begs you to shove.
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    04-21-2011 , 06:54 AM
    so what would be the best line here? c/c flop and re evaluate turn?
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    04-21-2011 , 08:08 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alexander Young
    You probably shouldn't be check raising this flop without a dynamic.

    ii) His cbetting range on this flop is very strong. Most players won't cbet this flop with less than AJ.
    Is this really true? I'm a winning 50NL reg, and I'm c-betting this flop near 100% of the time (villain dependent).
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    04-21-2011 , 09:45 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeanpaulvalley
    Is this really true? I'm a winning 50NL reg, and I'm c-betting this flop near 100% of the time (villain dependent).
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WCGRider
    Factors AGAINST a CBET

    -- Flop has a flushdraw
    -- Flop contains a Ten and a card somewhat near a ten
    -- Flop is very connected
    From:
    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...arrels-209172/
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    04-21-2011 , 09:49 AM
    check/call flop ez game
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    04-21-2011 , 09:56 AM
    Not that I necessarily agree with the advice given in that thread, but as a simple counterpoint:

    Quote:
    Factors in favor of a CBET

    ++ Board is Queen or Jack high
    ++ Heads up pot
    + Checked to
    which makes it very nearly even
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    04-21-2011 , 11:07 AM
    c/c flop anything else makes no sense
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    04-21-2011 , 01:35 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeanpaulvalley
    ...which makes it very nearly even
    Agreed, but nearly even doesn't justify firing close to 100% of the time. Pretty much any draw will peel your cbet, a made straight might c/c to let you spazz and how do you know where you are on the turn? Is you default line with AK b/f c/f or b/f b/f if you don't improve OTT?

    Last edited by Takemusu Aiki; 04-21-2011 at 01:36 PM. Reason: all that said, I fire more often than not too :/
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