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nl50 ,toptrips+KhighFD on the turn ? nl50 ,toptrips+KhighFD on the turn ?

03-05-2011 , 02:07 PM
about 80 hands til this one
villain was a bit weak with cbet 40% ,though PF 3bet 9 times. af 3 , kind of knew the difference IP/OOP , no tells ,cause only 5hands have reached showdown ,nasty boards have not given me chance to call him down ,though he hasnt barreled that much ,and he seemed rather fitandfold typish.
Have raised his cbet 3x ,and villain has folded to all. Now he wants action and the board is drawy. His call on flop seems strong and with that king I could be dead ,though 2pair would have prolly shoved the flop ?
thoughts on my flop play and the turn. Should have shoved the flop ?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $68.85
SB: $73.30

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has K 3

SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.00

Flop: ($3.00, 2 players) T K Q
Hero checks, SB bets $2.10, Hero raises to $6.50, SB raises to $12.80, Hero raises to $22.00, SB calls $9.20

Turn: ($47.00, 2 players) K Hero ???
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03-05-2011 , 03:17 PM
After the villain's 4-bet (12.80$), I prefear to call because is very very likely that your hand isn't the best, so just put 6$ and see the turn.

As played you must try to understand what's the villain's range, I think he can put other money in the pot only with the best hand, so IMHO check is better.

Sorry but I don't speak english.
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03-05-2011 , 04:05 PM
This is a really tough spot. You line looks very strong and he could potentially have a hand like Axh, Jxh, or two pair and decided to flat because he saw no FE/pot control. As played I'd just get the money in. Bet $28ish on the turn so he can still call you with QT and then jam the river.

A call on the flop would have been better than a 4bet since he hasn't played back at you yet.
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03-05-2011 , 08:15 PM
If u already decided to 5bet that flop,make it larger then 22(30+)
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03-06-2011 , 12:46 AM
I guess... check...call?

i mean, he has 2 pair+ on the flop right? so now you are hoping he has a straight or QJ?
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03-06-2011 , 12:54 AM
grunch

I think you are very vulnerable in the hand. After his reraise I don't think he's folding worse vs a ship.

as played I would call the turn. Your hand is still vulnerable so I'm not shipping here either. Depending on what falls on the river I might even be able to get away from this hand altogether.

I will say this ... one way to avoid post flop debacles like this is to fold pre OOP.
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03-06-2011 , 12:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Razzzinger
After the villain's 4-bet (12.80$), I prefear to call because is very very likely that your hand isn't the best, so just put 6$ and see the turn.

As played you must try to understand what's the villain's range, I think he can put other money in the pot only with the best hand, so IMHO check is better.

Sorry but I don't speak english.
welcome to the forums.
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03-06-2011 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
welcome to the forums.
TY
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03-07-2011 , 07:45 PM
fold pre
flop: actually there's not much reason to raise with TPNK and 2nd NFD. You are ahead a decent amount, and your hand has decent equity against almost any hand, but it's hard to be called by worse when you c/r. You are basically hoping Villain has a AhXh or JhXh, but you are flipping against that range, because it includes made straights. So I think I prefer c/c. Now, once you c/r and he 3bets small, on this board I think your FE is pretty small. I think I prefer a call. I don't hate a shove either, but your small 4bet is odd. You don't fold out anything but total air. I guess you might be trying to make him call you with dominated flush draws, but I don't think he 3bets those this way in the first place. Turn is pretty sticky. I think at that point you are mostly hoping he had QT or some sort of a flush draw. I don't think we can ever fold with just a psb left, but it seems pretty hard to get value from anything worse, so I think I prefer a c/c turn and river.
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03-07-2011 , 08:17 PM
What does raising the flop anywhere accomplish? After all the chaos I think you have to c/c turn...
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03-08-2011 , 06:56 AM
33\call imo.
I think most of hes nutty range get it in otf.. ( also Id shove also cuz we have a ton of equity now , and turn might be worse .)
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03-08-2011 , 02:17 PM
fold pre ?
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03-08-2011 , 03:20 PM
Is this a fold pre? I usually call or 3bet but wever. I would just call the 4 bet.
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03-08-2011 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Loki7
fold pre
flop: actually there's not much reason to raise with TPNK and 2nd NFD. You are ahead a decent amount, and your hand has decent equity against almost any hand, but it's hard to be called by worse when you c/r. You are basically hoping Villain has a AhXh or JhXh, but you are flipping against that range, because it includes made straights. So I think I prefer c/c. Now, once you c/r and he 3bets small, on this board I think your FE is pretty small. I think I prefer a call. I don't hate a shove either, but your small 4bet is odd. You don't fold out anything but total air. I guess you might be trying to make him call you with dominated flush draws, but I don't think he 3bets those this way in the first place. Turn is pretty sticky. I think at that point you are mostly hoping he had QT or some sort of a flush draw. I don't think we can ever fold with just a psb left, but it seems pretty hard to get value from anything worse, so I think I prefer a c/c turn and river.
with retro respect OTF why cant we c/r for value with TP +2ond NutfD against a villain who probably calls with lots of worse hands(pair + draw etc) [He plays 50NL].Also it would be rare enough for villain to have a dominant draw..All the others u said i agree with u .
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