Villain is a donkey. 28/18/2.9 over 92 hands. He checked as the BB so he can have literally anything, including an overpair, a bigger set, a flopped straight, and (some) air. I assume we're not folding here: are we getting it in fast, or are we calling to reevaluate on the turn? We aren't folding, are we?




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SB: $52.70
BB: $43.60
Hero (UTG): $61.20
UTG+1: $37.55
MP1: $41.00
MP2: $20.90
CO: $23.90
BTN: $8.25

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with 5 5
Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 3 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($1.75) 5 7 8 (3 players)
BB bets $1, Hero raises to $3.50, MP2 folds, BB raises to $6, Hero ?

you ARE NOT folding here.

I would call here and raise him AI on any non 2,6,9, or spade turn.

You think he's on a draw much? wouldn't a draw on NL50 mostly just call my raise?

put him in now, he could have some ******ed stuff like KK or 2 pair so your good here most of time.

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr innnnnnnnnnnn imo

You are right that most people would just call, however I think that shoving now is somewhat of an overbet, whereas if wait until the turn to put him in it wont be, and therefore you wont lose value from the weaker part of his felting range.

Just my opinion, not sure what others would think of this line.

28/18 did not raise two limpers, then shows strength on this middle board.

What is villain's read on you? What would you limp PF, than make a good sized raise on a drawy flop? We need to narrow down villain's range.

For villain, either two pair, set or made str8 will reraise here. If villain has a draw, he will call your raise, unless it was the popular A6. If he has an overpair, he would have raised PF with 99+. I also don't see any 8x reraising, even A8.

Get it all in on this flop... asap... too many draws = too many scary turn cards.

getting it in fast IMO

i just don't see him turning over the nuts here. A lot of turns will kill your action if he's got two pair, which is an argument for getting it in now. otoh, there are 14 cards that you really don't want to see (twice), but you're 2:1 as long as he's on either draw, so... i vote for getting it in now. i don't always achieve that result in these spots at the table, so i'm interested to hear what others think. i'd either 4bet to 15 or shove.

I've been playing tight and pretty passive, 17/8/1.6 over about a hundred hands. I don't think he's thinking much about my hand. Here's a hand he played earlier and that's why i think he's a donkey:

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MP1: $49.25
Donkey: $49.50
Hero (CO): $52.10
BTN: $11.20
SB: $47.20
BB: $66.35
UTG: $27.25
UTG+1: $48.55

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 3 2
3 folds, Donkey raises to $2, 3 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) 4 J 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Donkey bets $2, BB raises to $4, Donkey calls $2

Turn: ($12.25) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $4, Donkey raises to $11, BB calls $7

River: ($34.25) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Donkey checks

Final Pot: $34.25
Donkey shows Ah 9d (a pair of Nines)
BB shows Th Ts (a pair of Tens)
BB wins $32.55
(Rake: $1.70)


I'm not thrilled with BB's play either, but ignoring a checkminraise on the flop and then raising the weaklead on the turn against a player who apparently has decided to look you up needs something better than middle pair. Later i saw him call a PFR in late position with KQo, peel a Jhi dry flop, then get it in on a K turn and losing to pocket Aces. So, this guy doesn't think about what other players have, his actions are based on his hand alone, i think.


So let's count combos: he can have

• 87: 9 combos,
• 85: 3 combos,
• 75: 3 combos,
• 77: 3 combos,
• 88: 3 combos,
• 96: 16 combos,
• 64: 16 combos.

That's 15 combos i beat, and 38 that beat me. So he needs to do that with air, an overpair or a draw with the equivalent of 17 combos to make up for the difference.

If we call, the board pairs on the turn, and he still likes his hand, we're getting it in, right? I believe this guy felts a straight on a paired board.

All in and make him pay to draw

Calling with the hope of a board pair is outstanding .....if you hit. Overcoming a 15/38 deficit is daunting. I love me some sets..... but they are not always the nuts against an opponent that can play ATC.

If I were at the table, I would be trying to get it all in as soon as possible. In the cold light of day, this, IMO, is a much tougher situation than it first appears.

Easy shove; I get all the money in on the flop while my odds are still good. Waiting till the turn will only make for a more difficult decision.

Shove this. Too many nasty turn cards to come off