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NL50, raised on the river, is he ever bluffing here? NL50, raised on the river, is he ever bluffing here?
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08-26-2010 , 08:45 PM
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I only have like 30 hands on him, he got stats like a reg 22/17 and I haven't seen him do anything out of line yet.
Is he ever bluffing here, like a float that decided to rep a set or is this always a set in your experience?

Merge $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BB: $56.73
UTG: $51.07
CO: $50.00
BTN: $58.31
Hero (SB): $50.04

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K A
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) 3 7 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.00, BB calls $2

Turn: ($7.00) K (2 players)
Hero bets $5.00, BB calls $5

River: ($17.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $12.00, BB raises to $42
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08-26-2010 , 08:51 PM
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Well as long as you think he isn't bluffing more than 30% of the time you should fold. And let's be honest, will he even be bluffing 3% of the time? There are no missed draws, a perfect board to slowplay. Only if he turned a showdown hand into a bluff. Def not happening 30% of the time


--> fold
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08-26-2010 , 08:54 PM
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You reckon it's more of a fold when he raise this big, or would he be stronger if he just "clicked back" the river? Because I feel like they often click back when they have the nuts.. so perhaps this guy is looking for a fold.
Probably just me trying to level myself to call
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08-26-2010 , 09:02 PM
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He doesn't really rep much here just 2 pairs or a straight. In game I'd prob call tbh but its prob a fold because he's prob value owning us.
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08-26-2010 , 09:08 PM
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u need a good read to make call here, if he double floatted and bluffed u on the river good for him, i just fold ;/
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08-26-2010 , 09:09 PM
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It's true that they often make a small raise back without knowing if you can call a shuv.

Although if he was terrible enough to call down something like 45, he's terrible enough to think that somebody else is going to call all in with TPTK type hands.

I don't think even a complete donk is shuving the river with a flopped set. This shuv with the nuts comes more from the over aggressive donks that will do this with the nuts or air.

Although if the only raise he knows is the pot bet button, he might have figured... "what's the difference, if he calls a pot bet, he'll call a shuv."
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08-26-2010 , 09:11 PM
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He has sets and T8 for value

Weakish hands and broadway missed gutshots as a bluff.

Since you dont know anything about his play that can narrow some of the options, i would just fold.


If you are asking about him having bluffs in his range, yes he can. How many, readless its hard to know
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08-26-2010 , 09:19 PM
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yeah fold
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08-26-2010 , 09:27 PM
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i bet $15 on the river not $12
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08-26-2010 , 09:36 PM
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Fold is fine, but am I the only one thinking check call on the river is better (assuming villan bets a reasonable amount).
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08-27-2010 , 05:04 AM
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Quote:
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Fold is fine, but am I the only one thinking check call on the river is better (assuming villan bets a reasonable amount).
yes
Riverbet is standard
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08-27-2010 , 09:59 PM
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yes
Riverbet is standard
If it is standard then is it correct? I mean how often are you going to get 3 streets of value with TPTK? I mean it's not like the good old days.

We are out of position against a tight reg. Do we gain lose value here betting the river?
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08-27-2010 , 10:42 PM
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If it is standard then is it correct? I mean how often are you going to get 3 streets of value with TPTK? I mean it's not like the good old days.

We are out of position against a tight reg. Do we gain lose value here betting the river?
It is correct. We are ahead a lot. There are no missed draws he can bluff with+ he can check a lot SD's hands behind that could call with (ofcourse he wont call always, but he will sometimes)
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