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04-02-2010 , 06:06 PM
Pacific $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $15.23
Hero (BB): $51.95
UTG: $75.03
MP: $44.07
CO: $50.00
BTN: $20.90

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $1, MP calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $4.50, UTG raises to $8, MP calls $7, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($24.25) 6 2 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50, Hero ???

UTG is 68/25/7.5 over 63 and MP is 34/10/0.7 over 29

How dow e play this out?
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04-02-2010 , 06:11 PM
i would just ship it in pre vs those two guys
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04-02-2010 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Lars1
i would just ship it in pre vs those two guys
Yeah that was the other debate in my head...
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04-02-2010 , 06:13 PM
I'd ship pre and probably ship now cos this is so weird.
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04-02-2010 , 06:15 PM
Do you have any statics on how often they call a 3bet and how often they 4bet ?
I'm not to worried about the MP, he wil prob have like 22-JJ, but the min4bet from UTG bother me a bit. Maybe you've seen him do this before? And very maybe you got a showdown after that ?
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04-02-2010 , 06:16 PM
This guy is clicking buttons so we can safely assume he doesn't know what he's doing.
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04-02-2010 , 06:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waayoo
Do you have any statics on how often they call a 3bet and how often they 4bet ?
Only have 60-odd hands on him
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04-02-2010 , 06:24 PM
raise?
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04-02-2010 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dcredskins24
raise?

b]Flop:[/b] ($24.25) 6 2 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $20.50, UTG calls $20, MP folds


Can anyone help me with his range here?
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04-02-2010 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rjacobs003
Only have 60-odd hands on him
Well that's a pitty, but even thought the sample is small, sometimes it could help.
ANywayzzz Let's make range:
Let's start with MP: he plays 34/10/0.7 over 29 so he's a bit of a loose-passive player who likes to call raised PF and sometimes raises himself + Doens't bet/raise often but like to call
He called an UTG raise>>he could would Def do this with 22-TT. Prob JJ to. Maybe even with QQ/KK/AA. Some ATo+ or Axs is possible to and some SC.
But after he also called your fourbet i guues we can elimate weak aces. Then he is more likely to have a PP or AQ(s)+

On the UTG i am not sure. His UTG doesn't mean much strengh, but i am confused about his min4bet--->
AA, KK and maybe even QQ/JJ/TT or something. No to forget AK or maybe AQs
But i could be really wrong here.

I would like to 5bet, but an AI shove($47) is quite large compared to his 4bet($8). But the pot is already $19,50.....Not to mention that if we just call, we will be first to act.
I think i will shove AI PF...........

Flop:
The pot is $24 and you and the UTG have about $45 Effective stack left
The MP has $36 stack left
There's a fair chance that our hand is best> so betting would be good i think>maybe something like $12
If i get raised by the MP i will fold, however if the UTG raised me AI i might call

I don't really like checking, because if they check back and an A/K or an hits the turn our value drops dramaticly.

So as played:
you check and the utg made a 1bb bet followed by a MP call. I would make a raise here to $13 and then just act the same as i stated above

edit: after UTG's call i'm thinking his range is:
AA/KK / AKcc / AQcc, but TT/JJ/QQ are also possible
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