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10-29-2009 , 02:53 PM
This if course is not a standart move I do, but in this situation I just trusted my insticts. I had like 300 hands on this villain, seemed like a very good NL50 player from what I had seen that far – a way more better than standart-fishy TAGs on Ongame network ( We didnt have much history going on between us , but I assume he saw me like a standart Ongame TAG – who goes with his draws too much and overplays his overpairs and TPTK kind of hands. So close to 300 hands he was playing 24/20/3.5AF , 11.2% 3bet .

Ok, so the hand..

Grabbed by Holdem Manager

NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($26.24)
Hero ($53.39)
UTG ($175)
CO ($62.09)
BTN ($59.43)

Dealt to Hero J Q

fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.50, fold, Hero calls $1

FLOP ($3.25) 5 4 Q

Hero checks, BTN bets $3, Hero calls $3

TURN ($9.25) 5 4 Q A

Hero checks, BTN bets $9, Hero calls $9
This is a perfect card him for double barrel. First of all theres not many hands I could slowplay on this flop. Secondly, he thinks he`s gonna take the pot right now most of the time. Even though his bet size seems a bit scary, I chose to call down one more street, because I dont think he is ever going to bluff the river.

RIVER ($27.25) 5 4 Q A 7
Now the diamond on the river makes things tricky, I dont think he is ever gonna bluff this river, because my hand very often looks like nothin but the flush. So I was pretty sure river was going to go check/check, but he bets out..I almost auto-folded, but then I started to think a little bit deeper about this hand. Then I realized that his bet-size is perfect for me. He definitely have a hand here – probably two pair, (I wasnt that sure about the set, I dont think he would bet that much on the turn, because it would scare me off most of the time), with made flush he would bet much more bigger for value, or the opposite – made some smaller bet to induce some bluffs, but with this 15$ bet on the river, I was sure he wants to leave some room to play bet/fold if I shove and I was sure he was capable of folding two pairs here. I think he never expects me to bluff in this spot. So after my shove he typed in the chat „nice catch!” and folded..

Hero checks, BTN bets $15, Hero raises to $39.89 (AI), BTN folds


Hero shows J Q

Hero wins $55.75


So what do you guys think of this hand?
Thanks!
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10-29-2009 , 03:00 PM
ehhh

I think you either had the best hand or made what is most likely a -EV bluff to get him off Ax

You do rep the flush so its not like you rep nothing its just villain took a pot+pot+1/2 pot line so he has over 1/3 his stack in and will be getting a really good price to call on the river. Not that he should really expect you to be bluffing here but when he bets the flush card on the river he obviously thinks your calling range is wider than flushes.

I won't say this is terrible but I also don't think this is +EV, or if it is it is really marginal.
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10-29-2009 , 03:00 PM
Fold pre.

Fold turn.
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10-29-2009 , 03:08 PM
I would have led out with a bet on the flop instead of checking. Top pair, solid kicker and a draw-heavy board...
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10-29-2009 , 03:08 PM
I'm guessing his nice catch meant you caught him bluffing and he had nothing here. I highly doubt he folded 2 pair.
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10-29-2009 , 03:09 PM
dont show
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10-29-2009 , 03:11 PM
of course i didnt show, now he probably thinks I am a terrible fish and Im gonna use it in my advantage!
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10-29-2009 , 03:18 PM
Of course if he called me with something like, lets say AQ or 44 or even made flush, this would look pretty bad, but I really believed my feeling and instincts here..And if you say this could be a bluff from him (small benefit is that I dont show my hand even if I bluff with the best hand here) and combing the fact he could fold a real hand, it isnt the best spot, but I think its not the worst one either..
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10-29-2009 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Masblas
I'm guessing his nice catch meant you caught him bluffing and he had nothing here. I highly doubt he folded 2 pair.
no, he means nice catch as in "you're a stupid fish who calls 2 psbs drawing to flush and hits"

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Originally Posted by august burns red
Of course if he called me with something like, lets say AQ or 44 or even made flush, this would look pretty bad, but I really believed my feeling and instincts here..And if you say this could be a bluff from him (small benefit is that I dont show my hand even if I bluff with the best hand here) and combing the fact he could fold a real hand, it isnt the best spot, but I think its not the worst one either..
Dude look over what you write b4 you post it. Half of what you're saying sounds like gibberish.

If he sees you as a good tag then he can call here with most of the hands he was barreling for value, because he know you aren't stupid enough to draw to a flush w/o the odds. But so few ppl are capable of bluff-raising rivers that its probably ok once in a while to do this.
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10-29-2009 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fattony7891
no, he means nice catch as in "you're a stupid fish who calls 2 psbs drawing to flush and hits"



Dude look over what you write b4 you post it. Half of what you're saying sounds like gibberish.

If he sees you as a good tag then he can call here with most of the hands he was barreling for value, because he know you aren't stupid enough to draw to a flush w/o the odds. But so few ppl are capable of bluff-raising rivers that its probably ok once in a while to do this.
The fact is I have never said he sees me as a GOOD Tag. As I said NL50 at Ongame is pretty fishy, even those Reg`s who play there, a lot of them seem pretty bad. I changed Ongame sites few days ago, so I had a pretty decent sample size when I moved. Now I have a diffirent username so others players who had hands on me dont know much about me, but I do have hands on them. At this table he saw me coldcalling preflop and limping behind before, so he cant know much, I think he sees me as some poor-avarage Ongame NL50 player who wont ever be capable of this river-bluff move.

Sorry, if I sound a little cheesy, my english is not close to perfect, but I`m trying to describe this situation as good as I can..
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10-29-2009 , 04:51 PM
so basically, yah
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10-29-2009 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by august burns red
of course i didnt show, now he probably thinks I am a terrible fish and Im gonna use it in my advantage!
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Originally Posted by august burns red

Hero shows J Q

Hero wins $55.75


So what do you guys think of this hand?
Thanks!

Busted imo
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10-29-2009 , 07:10 PM
lol this is really not that bad at all actually.. villain's bet on the riv. can be very thin here and I'm pretty sure we could have the best hand on the turn/def. don't have the best hand on the riv. we can pretty credibly rep QdXd JdTd or AdXd here.

Last edited by Stackajawea; 10-29-2009 at 07:16 PM.
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10-29-2009 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by VithelTone
Busted imo
No, I didnt show my hand, this is what I had when copied my hand from HM..
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