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01-15-2008 , 07:51 PM
This guy is real tight and I have been stealing from him all night. He's only called my steal attempt once prior to this. I c-bet with air, he called and I gave up.

I never know how to play these hands, on the back of a beer mat I calculate having about 4.5/1 to hit my draw and 2.5/1 pot odds. Obviously wrong to call but I guess I have implied odds because he certainly had a hand and will prolly pay off if I hit.

What's the best play here? Do we fire a 2nd barrel, if so why?
I reckon by stove that I have ~34% equity. Can I use this to influence my decision?


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $86.60
MP: $59.95
CO: $78.25
BTN: $45.30
Hero (SB): $85.05
BB: $51.25

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 5 A
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.00) 8 6 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls $3

Turn: ($10.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, [color=red]BB bets $6
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01-15-2008 , 07:58 PM
Do you really consider the 9 a safe out?
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01-15-2008 , 08:00 PM
He'll only pay if you hit if he has you beat. Bottom end of a one card straight draw sucks. Check/fold turn is fine.
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01-15-2008 , 08:05 PM
Btw, how did you come up with 34%?
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01-15-2008 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dethgrind
Btw, how did you come up with 34%?
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

5,500 games 0.002 secs 2,750,000 games/sec

Board: 8s 6c 7d 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.691% 62.85% 02.84% 3457 156.00 { 22+, ATs+, KQs, ATo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 34.309% 31.47% 02.84% 1731 156.00 { Ac5s }
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01-15-2008 , 08:18 PM
There's no way he plays that range the way he did on the flop and turn.
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01-15-2008 , 08:20 PM
If villian is tight and you have been steeling his blinds a lot tonight, it could be that villian is floating you here. Altough he has folded to a c-bet once before and is tight, he could be floating you here. Have you been c-betting a lot of flops at this table? What is your image at the table? I think this also matters in what villian could have here / or if he is floating you here. If you have been c-betting a lot of flops and villian is a good player who pays attention to the table, I think he is floating you.

Because you check the turn a lot of players think you show weakness here. His range is ofcourse, is small as he is playing tight. 66, 77, 88, 45, 9T or even TT aren't folding here a lot imo. I like a c/r here to 18 here because you make a lot of weak hands fold and you are representing a 8 here or a flopped set. If villians comes over the top again, I do fold. It looks like villian is floating you here, thats why I would c/r here to pick op the pot.
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01-15-2008 , 08:22 PM
I give it up on the turn, but b/f is better than c/c. If he's tight your range is way too optimistic and your draw is obvious. If you hit your hand you'll be having reversed implied odds with the sucker end on a 4-straight/paired board. I doubt his putting anything in with a worse hand when you hit the river, when you get action he's at least having a better straight/boat.
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01-15-2008 , 09:54 PM
i definitely give up on the turn, villian could be full already, you could be drawing dead in too many ways.. unless he is so nitty he is folding an over pair here you have to get away from it
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01-15-2008 , 10:40 PM
I think c/f the turn is the best play. Anyone think bet/folding is ok? His call looks like a draw maybe or pair + draw which you are unlikely to get him off. The 8 in this case might have helped him aswell, which makes me think c/f is best. No way can you consider calling you have really 11 outs at best and you could probably only have 4 or be drawing dead.
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01-15-2008 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick Royale
I give it up on the turn, but b/f is better than c/c. If he's tight your range is way too optimistic and your draw is obvious. If you hit your hand you'll be having reversed implied odds with the sucker end on a 4-straight/paired board. I doubt his putting anything in with a worse hand when you hit the river, when you get action he's at least having a better straight/boat.
Yeah I like b/f a lot more than c/f. I think the 8 was a good card for you to bluff on and its a super easy fold if he raises.
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01-16-2008 , 01:15 PM
Maybe add next time that it is the idiot end one card open-ended straight draw...

I b/f here because I like barreling this turn.... though I don't think we will be good quite some times even if we hit our draw.
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