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10-19-2009 , 12:40 PM

Joey2714

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Literally my first hand at the table.

Hows my line? What do you do facing the shove? seems too spewy for me

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $50.25
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $56.20
MP: $107.00
CO: $46.50
BTN: $64.35

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q

2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, CO calls $4

Flop: ($11.25) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $6.75, CO raises to $41 all in, Hero ??

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10-19-2009 , 12:47 PM

martin9_90

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its quite close if you tthink he can shove KQ/AQ/AK here, other wise it becomes a clear fold

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10-19-2009 , 12:51 PM

Tissy187

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Don't see us beating anything here I would fold

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10-19-2009 , 12:52 PM

Eldrone

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Fold

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10-19-2009 , 12:58 PM

Joey2714

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I think this is one of my major leaks then because i have a hard time finding a fold here

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10-19-2009 , 01:01 PM

Tissy187

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Originally Posted by Joey2714

I think this is one of my major leaks then because i have a hard time finding a fold here

Well then think of it like this:

What possible hands could he have here that you beat?

Even his air could be better than your hand right now, hands you might have had crushed preflop are now way ahead of you as well (QT,KJ,KT)

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10-19-2009 , 01:05 PM

SlackBuck

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Fold, you'd have to add a fair few hands into his range that aren't likely to be there (considering he's a "random" 50nl player) to justify a call imo.

Personally I don't love your bet sizing on flop, If I was going to lead I'd bet more ($9 at least). I also wouldn't 3bet QKs on my first hand at the table vs someone I'd never played a hand against, but that's just me!

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10-19-2009 , 01:15 PM

Joey2714

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Originally Posted by SlackBuck

If i lead bigger (to ~9) am i still folding to the shove?

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10-19-2009 , 01:29 PM

wishiewish

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Fold.
It doesnt make any sense but this guy will even end up having trips or even full house playing like this.

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10-19-2009 , 01:35 PM

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Joey2714

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I hate these spots.. however.. I called, he showed QQ and i turned an Ace

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10-19-2009 , 01:52 PM

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kaos_

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Why are we 3betting?

Flat pre. Play poker. Dominate his range.

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10-19-2009 , 01:53 PM

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wishiewish

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Because our hand is ahead of villain´s CO open range and villain might call with worse often enough.
Oh we can also resteal.

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10-19-2009 , 03:24 PM

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kaos_

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Originally Posted by wishiewish

Because our hand is ahead of villain´s CO open range

Bad logic for a 3bet

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10-19-2009 , 03:56 PM

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whirleymob

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Originally Posted by kaos_

Why are we 3betting?

Flat pre. Play poker. Dominate his range.

+ strong drawing hands (such as KQs) play better with effective stacks deeper, and we are not comfortable stacking off vs 4 bet and 3bet folding this hand sux.

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10-19-2009 , 04:07 PM

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wishiewish

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Originally Posted by kaos_

Bad logic for a 3bet

you can´t cut half of a sentence and say bad logic.
and it is good logic.

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10-19-2009 , 04:10 PM

#16

imariverdonk

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I think first hand at the table 3 betting KQ oop is BAD!!!!!

but the donk on flop seems to me to be asking for a shove over. You got what you were looking for, y not?

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10-19-2009 , 04:10 PM

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kaos_

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Originally Posted by wishiewish

good logic.

s bd lgc

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10-19-2009 , 04:17 PM

#18

fsn

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Originally Posted by Tissy187

Don't see us beating anything here I would fold

Isn't that pretty obvious since we have K high?

I'd fold too

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10-19-2009 , 04:19 PM

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JoeyJoJo Shabadu

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3 betting prf is bad oop.
cbetting is worse.

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10-19-2009 , 04:56 PM

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thakid16

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Originally Posted by wishiewish

Because our hand is ahead of villain´s CO open range and villain might call with worse often enough.
Oh we can also resteal.

this assumption is based on what exactly besides your opinion?
given its the first hand and there aren't any stats this statement is absurd.

if you plan on playing this hand aggressively, cb stronger then call shove. if you'r gonna cbet so weak you're forcing yourself to fold here. or maybe try a crai to throw in some FE.

basically, next time b4 you cb have an idea of what you're going to do if he shoves/raises.

and 3b'ng KQs oop vs an unknown at a table w/o stats isn't the best idea fwiw.

i suppose "Oh we can also resteal". is somewhat valid but you don't know what range he is opening or flatting your 3b or even raising your 3b with.

Last edited by thakid16; 10-19-2009 at 05:01 PM.

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10-19-2009 , 05:05 PM

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ger664

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Originally Posted by wishiewish

Because our hand is ahead of villain´s CO open range and villain might call with worse often enough.
Oh we can also resteal.

Yes but how does it fair against his 3-bet call or 4-bet range ?

As this is the first hand we have absolutely no idea of this guys ranges for opening/flatting and 4-bet.

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10-19-2009 , 05:08 PM

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thakid16

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Originally Posted by ger664

Yes but how does it fair against his 3-bet call or 4-bet range.

exactly why his statement makes no sense along w/ the fact there aren't any stats and its the first hands at the table.

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10-19-2009 , 05:11 PM

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wishiewish

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i just labeled him as standart 50nl fish.
and as he just played qq like this, i am right.

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10-19-2009 , 05:33 PM

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thakid16

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Originally Posted by wishiewish

i just labeled him as standart 50nl fish.
and as he just played qq like this, i am right.

so you made an assumption based on nothing. hmmm, okay, not the way i would have gone lol.

and i dont really see anything wrong with how villain played his QQ here, but clearly we have different opinions on each topic.

oh and wishie, it wasn't my intention to sound like a dick, my apologies if it sounded like that.

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