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NL50 - NFD on J66 board NL50 - NFD on J66 board

02-22-2011 , 10:38 PM
Here is a fundamental and basic hand, just not 100% about what to do. I see about a dozen ways to play it that could be reasonable. Villain seems to probably be decent reg, decent winner on PTR. Very early in session. In general I think this kind of sucks vs an unknown since you have no idea what they are capable of. I think I like my play because it's pretty "safe" and I'm a nit. Sorry if this is "standard".

I c/c flop because Ahi is usually the best hand. c/c turn again for same reasons (although obviously Ahi is less likely to be good now). River I hit. If I thought he was barreling the turn enough to make my call good, then I should probably give him a chance to barrel the obvious scare card. At the same time, if I think he is competent, I think he might even fold river with a flush since I look so strong. Donking river is probably bad because he obviously won't bluffraise and he probably even folds a good J a lot of the time.

Alternate1:
I c/c flop because my hand is good and I have the best draw if not. Turn I c/r because obviously my Ahi is not as likely to be good. c/c, c/r obviously looks super strong so he might fold a lot of Jacks. If he 3b I guess I have to fold, which sucks. If he calls, I guess I should be betting most rivers or just give up unimproved?

Alternate2:
I don't really want to just be calling down, especially if I don't know him. I c/r the flop. Obviously if he 3b I have to get it in. If he calls idk what to do. How many more streets and on what types of cards should I barrel?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
Hero ($50.75)
Villain ($50)

Dealt to Hero 3 A

Villain raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

FLOP ($3) J 6 6

Hero checks, Villain bets $2, Hero calls $2

TURN ($7) J 6 6 7

Hero checks, Villain bets $4, Hero calls $4

RIVER ($15) J 6 6 7 T
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02-23-2011 , 12:11 AM
IMO you've picked the worst option

You've got a potentially strong hand here and need to build the pot. Check raise flop. You will likely get a free card on the turn. What type of poker do you normally play? This is pretty passive and a fishy line to take.
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02-23-2011 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CobiG13
IMO you've picked the worst option

You've got a potentially strong hand here and need to build the pot. Check raise flop. You will likely get a free card on the turn. What type of poker do you normally play? This is pretty passive and a fishy line to take.
lolwut. Its a fine line against the right villain. cc or cr flop is entirely v dependent imo.
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02-23-2011 , 12:48 AM
lol at Gobi. Your play is completely fine.
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02-23-2011 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Blueshoess
Its a fine line against the right villain. cc or cr flop is entirely v dependent imo.
Against what type of villain do you cc, and against what type do you cr?
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02-24-2011 , 01:20 AM
Defaultly i would craise this flop and obviously barrel every turn.

c/c line is absolutely fine too imo

Btw guys whats your opinion on statement that craising here is slightly better because it balances our flop craising range on these dry paired boards ?

Assuming we are playing against weak opponent who opens almost 100 percent buttons and cbet relentlessly, we might want to craise with air in this spot sometimes.

Is it complete bullshi+ to craise air in this spot because we represent pretty much nothing except of air ?

Isnt it because craising air in this spot sometimes would make us able to thin value checkraise top pair in this spot more effectively?

Would someone ever notice what our craising range in this spot is ? Should we care about balancing here ? Isnt it overrated ?

Thanks for answers.
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02-24-2011 , 04:09 AM
Like your line.

if we have a player who potcontrols a lot, can we lead the flop?
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02-24-2011 , 05:54 AM
Depends on how much/ what he's cbetting if I'm c/r c/c leading this flop. Vs a reg whos cbetting a fair amount I'm going to be wanting to play back on flops like this so I'd like to have an A high flush draw in my range when I c/r. Saying that I think your lines fine early in a match.
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02-24-2011 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by GalacticRewind
Against what type of villain do you cc, and against what type do you cr?
imo in general:

cr if villain is cbetting too much and barreling lots of turns + river. i would also cr if i have been aggressive on these kinds of boards previously in the match to balance when i have air.

cc if he plays straightforward, cbetting few flops and doesnt really barrel like a maniac.
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02-24-2011 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by britewire
Like your line.

if we have a player who potcontrols a lot, can we lead the flop?
Why would we ever. We have Ahigh and freecard for us id just good. We Sony cr for value or donk either. Its a semibluff
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02-24-2011 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Blueshoess
imo in general:

cr if villain is cbetting too much and barreling lots of turns + river. i would also cr if i have been aggressive on these kinds of boards previously in the match to balance when i have air.

cc if he plays straightforward, cbetting few flops and doesnt really barrel like a maniac.
Okay, so when I flop the nut FD from OOP on a paired FD board like J66 2-tone, whether or not I should OOP float with my FD or check-raise with my FD depends on the type of opponent I am facing, and possibly metagame considerations as well.

If opponent likes to cbet and barrel turns and rivers, then I check-raise (against this type of opponent); and if I have previously in the match been bluff-aggressive on paired FD boards with air then I would also want to checkraise semibluff now for metagame to protect my air bluffs (my check-raises here have contained air so far, so it is time to start putting some equity into my check-raise line on this type of board).

If, instead of frequently cbetting and barreling turns and rivers, my opponent is selective when he barrels turns and rivers (i.e., he does not barrel like a maniac), then I check-call (against this type of oppoennt). His low turn cbet allows me to OOP float him with my FD on the flop and then bet the river if he checks behind on the turn.

To summarize, when I am in the BB and I flop the nut FD on a paired board, I will check-call with the intention of bluffing the river if my opponent will likely give me a free turn card b/c his turn cbet is low, and I will check-raise if my opponent will likely NOT give me a free turn card b/c his flop and turn cbets are high. I will also tend to check-raise more if I have already been check-raising this type of flop with air so that I can put some equity into a line that I currently have been doing only with air. So high flop and turn cbets check-raise flop, low turn cbet check-call flop, and if my metagame needs equity here then check-raise flop.
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