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01-02-2010 , 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir S A Lot

Only decent hand we're ahead that would stupidly value own himself here is some AdJx float and some sort of Ad with a pair

edit: check call

i don't think he has AdJx that much like to Ch-C and expect to be profitable, and i don't even know if he bets those (he prob does), imo he's never betting Tx or 99,88, i Ch-Fold river

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01-02-2010 , 07:15 PM

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lol i also think c/c is pretty bad rebecca

what worse hands is he valuebetting?

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01-02-2010 , 07:15 PM

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you would expect to lose the pot with jacks? i would say a flopped set are a big part of his river min raising range here dont you think?

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01-02-2010 , 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tonitto

36/8 guys often don´t make sense - but a min raise on that board after we be 3 times is most of the time > QQ

yeah i think you are like 1% of the time good (85 spew time baby)

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01-02-2010 , 07:17 PM

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see poast #20

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01-02-2010 , 07:17 PM

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some1 at nl100 with a vpip of 36 would bet alot that you beat on the river i think what would you say then on that river c/f?

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01-02-2010 , 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by benjamin barker

rebecca no you dont want to pay this fish off

i'd say you are good here <10% of the time

im not even sure he can raise a set for value here, he's got a straight or a flush

i don't think he ever has a set here, he prob has a flush most of the time

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01-02-2010 , 07:19 PM

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i just dont get what your putting him on with this play that you wouldnt like a set of jacks with

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01-02-2010 , 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rebeccaxhx

some1 at nl100 with a vpip of 36 would bet alot that you beat on the river i think what would you say then on that river c/f?

what would a Nl100 would bet on this river if you check the way the hand has been played?

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01-02-2010 , 07:20 PM

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like i said many times, mostly a flush, sometimes a straight

a set doesn't beat a flush

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01-02-2010 , 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rebeccaxhx

some1 at nl100 with a vpip of 36 would bet alot that you beat on the river i think what would you say then on that river c/f?

like?

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01-02-2010 , 07:21 PM

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a what flush though so he doesnt raise to protect it on the turn it makes no sense and you cand say Axd is most of his range

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01-02-2010 , 07:22 PM

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benjamin barker

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have you ever played against a fish before?

fish commonly call with draws, call again when they hit, and minraise the river

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01-02-2010 , 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rebeccaxhx

a what flush though so he doesnt raise to protect it on the turn it makes no sense and you cand say Axd is most of his range

not everyone raises flushes to protect, and he probably should just call if you're taking all flushes out of his range when he just calls, so he could shove on a later street

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01-02-2010 , 07:24 PM

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if you check the river hes betting all his missed draws eg missed str8 draws on the flop and hes v betting any 10 or jack your still obviously behind alot buy you find out for cheaper

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01-02-2010 , 07:26 PM

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yes i agree a l;ange part of his range is a flush but as your opinion its not 90% of his range i think with jacks in this situation you would be good 50% plus of the time

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01-02-2010 , 07:26 PM

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what missed straight draws? the 45 or the 89?

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01-02-2010 , 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rebeccaxhx

if you check the river hes betting all his missed draws eg missed str8 draws on the flop and hes v betting any 10 or jack your still obviously behind alot buy you find out for cheaper

what draw does he has here? and why would he bet a Tx AND what J does he have?

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01-02-2010 , 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rebeccaxhx

if you check the river hes betting all his missed draws eg missed str8 draws on the flop and hes v betting any 10 or jack your still obviously behind alot buy you find out for cheaper

WHAT DRAWS? WHAT DRAWS? WHAT DRAWS? PLEASE TO BE GIVING ME A RANGE OF JACKS THAT HE COULD HAVE ON THE RIVER PPLLLEEEEAAASSSEEEEE GIVE ME A RANGE

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01-02-2010 , 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by benjamin barker

what missed straight draws? the 45 or the 89?

lol

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01-02-2010 , 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fattony7891

WHAT DRAWS? WHAT DRAWS? WHAT DRAWS? PLEASE TO BE GIVING ME A RANGE OF JACKS THAT HE COULD HAVE ON THE RIVER PPLLLEEEEAAASSSEEEEE GIVE ME A RANGE

lol again

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01-02-2010 , 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gotnonick

not everyone raises flushes to protect, and he probably should just call if you're taking all flushes out of his range when he just calls, so he could shove on a later street

to not raise a flush on the turn here just seems like really bad play but obviously its poker and there are many

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01-02-2010 , 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rebeccaxhx

yes i agree a l;ange part of his range is a flush but as your opinion its not 90% of his range i think with jacks in this situation you would be good 50% plus of the time

even if his river raising range is all sets and all flushes and all straights, there are way more combos of flushes and straights than worse sets

so, what other worse hands is he raising on the river to get this 50% figure?

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01-02-2010 , 07:28 PM

#49

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Originally Posted by rebeccaxhx

to not raise a flush on the turn here just seems like really bad play but obviously its poker and there are many

did he see his stats? did you see the line he took?

NEWS FLASH: HE IS A BAD PLAYER

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01-02-2010 , 07:29 PM

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to fattony,baker,tonnito is Ch-folding ok?

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