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04-06-2008 , 11:22 PM
Villian is nitty 13/10/2

Fold turn? As played river plan?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($94.65)
UTG ($101)
MP ($44.60)
Button ($47.80)
Hero ($47.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, K.
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4) 7, J, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB calls $3.

Turn: ($10) K (2 players)
Hero bets $7.5, BB raises to $16.5, Hero calls $9.

River: ($43) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $21, BB calls $21.

Final Pot: $85
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04-06-2008 , 11:29 PM
i generally fold the turn to this type of player but i think it's close. as played i like the river bet.
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04-06-2008 , 11:33 PM
Uhmm, c/f river. I don't see any value in a bet, you're just value-towning yourself.
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04-06-2008 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by facetongue
i generally fold the turn to this type of player but i think it's close. as played i like the river bet.



+1
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04-06-2008 , 11:41 PM
I dunno if I like the cbet here that much. We're OOP and there's a lot of draws/Jx/9x/A-high combos we're not going to fold out. How aggressive is this guy on the flop? I'd be inclined to c/f if he's passive.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddi
Uhmm, c/f river. I don't see any value in a bet, you're just value-towning yourself.
You really think the opponent has a set that often?
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04-07-2008 , 12:34 AM
K here's my analysis for the hand.
Villian is fairly tight so I figured he's folding to my donk bet alot of times besides I have about 10 so I bet. On turn I caught my out, and I though it was villian's out as well so he raised. On the river I had top 2, I figured he had no flush, cause he'd probably wouldn't raise turn. I put him on KJ, K7, K9 who knows. If it's a set, well just so be it. Good thinking?
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04-07-2008 , 12:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avtoritet
K here's my analysis for the hand.
Villian is fairly tight so I figured he's folding to my donk bet alot of times besides I have about 10 so I bet. On turn I caught my out, and I though it was villian's out as well so he raised. On the river I had top 2, I figured he had no flush, cause he'd probably wouldn't raise turn. I put him on KJ, K7, K9 who knows. If it's a set, well just so be it. Good thinking?
QT got there on the turn, that is the very first thing I notice here. If villian has a set he is raising the flop with all the possible draws, not the turn when one of them hits. KJ is the only two pair hand I would seriously give villian credit for, K9 and K7 without some sort of read or previous history with the villian are a stretch; K7 moreso than K9.

As played fold the turn, but I wouldn't even be betting there. I'd check and see what villian does, maybe calling one street and folding to a river bet. Again as played, I hate hate hate your river bet. You just sucked out on two pair but the card put 4 to a straight and made a possible flush. Do really expect him calling with K7 here very often? You need to think about what you are representing here before you bet; you are representing a T or a flush here, not two pair. You are also still losing to any straight. I see this bet as folding two pair and sets more than it gets called by them, getting flatted by straights afraid of the flush, and being flatted or raised by a possible made hand that had a flush redraw.
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04-07-2008 , 01:45 AM
I agree with everything uve said Saldirgan, I still need to learn to make such big lay downs... Here's exactly the same hand which just happened:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($49.50)
BB ($82.05)
UTG ($23.10)
MP ($48.25)
CO ($74.80)
Button ($35.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
1 fold, MP raises to $1.5, 1 fold, Button calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25, 1 fold.

Flop: ($5) , , (3 players)
Hero bets $3, MP calls $3, Button folds.

Turn: ($11) (2 players)
Hero bets $9, MP raises to $21, Hero calls $12.

River: ($53) (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $22.75 (All-In), Hero calls $22.75.

Final Pot: $98.50

I knew he had me beat, still couldn't lay it down..
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04-07-2008 , 06:24 AM
Avtoritet, in your latest example i would have opted for a check followed by a big reraise on the flop.

if he has AK or AQ he will certainly bet this flop and you can put him on a decision for a lot of chips, enabling you to define his hand. if he re-raises you are done with the hand.
if he just calls he prob has AK and is reluctant to let it go; so the turn card kills you and you can check-fold. if he has an underpair e.g. JJ, TT and it checks round you can take down the pot with a reasonable sized turn bet.

this is my first post btw so please be nice!
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04-07-2008 , 10:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by insomniac86
Avtoritet, in your latest example i would have opted for a check followed by a big reraise on the flop.
No no no, cbet this flop. You can't slowplay two pair here.
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04-07-2008 , 01:53 PM
Turn is kinda tough, it looks like he has u, but u cant really put him on anything but KJ ok K+FD. I'd probably fold turn against a nit, or c/c w/ the intention of c/f river.

As played I like river, betting defenatly has value, however w/ tha flush completing I would bet much less, maybe 30% pot. If river is like Qd then 50-60% is fine imo.
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04-07-2008 , 01:57 PM
Mh hand 2 is alot tougher since youve got 2pair meh
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04-07-2008 , 01:59 PM
Hand 2: Leading flop is fine, as well as c/r original raiser's c-bet.

Leading turn is also fine, once he raises ure kinda ****ed. Its probably a fold, hard to imagine him flatting flop and raising here w/ A10 or AJ, its most likely 10J-AQ-AK.

Once u clled turn I dont think u can fold river, unless u realise that turn was just a big stupid mistake. But generally u dont fold. And given Villains line I think he had 10J, if he is a standart NL50 player.
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04-07-2008 , 02:31 PM
This is regarding hand 2

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Originally Posted by insomniac86
if he has AK or AQ he will certainly bet this flop and you can put him on a decision for a lot of chips, enabling you to define his hand. if he re-raises you are done with the hand.
You would need a tremendous read to be done with this hand on the flop. If he reraises you on this flop, raise back and get as much money in as possible. AK will stack off to you here (unless they spike that A on the turn), more often than you'l run into KK, or QQ. he can have KK,QQ one way each, and AK 8 ways, so it's 4 times more likely he would have AK.
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04-07-2008 , 03:09 PM
Check/raise and then fold to 3 bet on flop is ugly.
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