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10-16-2008 , 02:58 PM

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sl8a

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Originally Posted by ToTheInternet

K there

We've only got 300 hands on him, a pathetically small sample to be narrowing his 3 bet range to QQ+. I play these kind of stats and i am 3 betting a far bigger range if said person had been stealing the BTN a lot, or even semi regularly. All depends on how the table is playing out.

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10-16-2008 , 03:10 PM

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monkeymaps

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I really think this call push flop or whatever line is kinda FPS and is really offset by the times that villian has JJ QQ or AK and gets and unfavorable flop and checks behind or just folds to our push.

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10-16-2008 , 03:22 PM

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BarryLyndon

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Well, if you have 300 hands on him, you know some of his post flop tendencies, don't you? If you are going to ask this question, it's a theoretical sin not to post his AF. The question is legit as to how to milk value here given the size of your raise and his RR, but frankly, I can't help you if I don't know his flop tendencies.

In a vaccuum, 4-betting here is best because speaking strictly on a pf basis, nits like to leave themselves breathing room on flops, while pf, you can probably get a standard NL50 player to call off his JJ/QQ/AK with your bet. And you certainly don't mind that.

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10-16-2008 , 03:26 PM

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ToTheInternet

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Originally Posted by ebergman

say he 3bets here with solely JJ+ AKo/s (btw the 3bet isnt that big its pot +.75) you have 62.6% equity vs this range. Hes cbetting with pretty much his whole range and definitely stacking off with JJ-AA and maybe AKs if he has fd + overs or gutshot + overs.
If you 4bet ai lets say he calls with KK AA AKs and 50% of his QQ (because he is a nit) you are now behind in equity with just 45%..... I cant see shoving here being profitable in the long run unless my logic is wrong about his range.

*edit* even if you add in him stacking off with 50% of his AKo you now have equity of ~49.7% vs the above of 62.6%......

It'll be pretty surprising if he 3bets to $13.75 and folds to a shove $54.01 effective with AKo or QQ.

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Originally Posted by sl8a

Umm. You really think 99% of 13/11s over 300 hands are 3betting a range in this spot that deviates that much from QQ+,AK? 13/11 is insanely nitty. And 300 hands is 50 orbits. If someone is vpiping less than 1 hand per orbit on avg over 50 orbits, they are a ***** meganit.

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10-17-2008 , 12:08 AM

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kidKadaver

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Originally Posted by sl8a

I personally think 300 hands is more than ample for preflop numbers. Even still, it is extremely unprofitable for villain to ever 3 bet light to the amount he did.

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