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09-13-2011 , 09:02 AM
op was basically TAG but sometimes he made huge overpushes preflop. what i catched it was a 66 against my JJ preshove 200bb vs 200bb i made a 3bet and he pushed LOLz. i replayed the hand i think i needed some pot control etc...
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BB: $174.20
Hero (BTN/SB): $135.95

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with J J
Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) 3 T 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.10, BB raises to $6, Hero raises to $17.10, BB raises to $37, Hero raises to $94.60, BB raises to $172.70 all in, Hero calls $39.85 all in

Turn: ($271.90) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($271.90) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $271.90
BB shows 9 7 (a flush, Queen high)
Hero shows J J (a pair of Jacks)
BB wins $271.40
(Rake: $0.50)


hand2 same op

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BB: $68.10
Hero (BTN/SB): $60.25

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 8 9
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.00) 7 A J (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero raises to $15, BB raises to $63.10 all in, Hero calls $40.25 all in

Turn: ($120.50) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($120.50) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $120.50
BB shows Q 6 (a pair of Sevens)
Hero shows 8 9 (a pair of Sevens - lower kicker)
BB wins $120.00
(Rake: $0.50)


any idea for an other line?
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09-13-2011 , 10:50 AM
I raise here if we have an aggro dynamic vs someone who is not spewy, capable of folding Jx ... with the intention of representing an aggressive image.
Calling is properly better vs lots of player, u can re evaluate later, like bet turn if he checks.
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09-13-2011 , 12:34 PM
Probably way too loose to get it in at the flop this deep. Unless you have a good read. I don't really like the second hand, if he bluff jam over your raise he still got you beat most of the time. Just flat his cbet. Also your preflop call is questionable unless his 3bet is really high or you know something else that makes it a call
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09-13-2011 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Fredron
Probably way too loose to get it in at the flop this deep. Unless you have a good read. I don't really like the second hand, if he bluff jam over your raise he still got you beat most of the time. Just flat his cbet. Also your preflop call is questionable unless his 3bet is really high or you know something else that makes it a call
he always made his 3bet to 10BB. i think the preflop game was really standard.i made mistakes postflop and used a wrong line. i think too i should just flat postflop his cbet and if he cbet on turn i push or fold.
the question is if he check what are u doing on turn IP pot $22 stacks 57-49to him.
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09-13-2011 , 01:48 PM
First hand is probably too loose. second hand I call cbet and take a free card if he is a callingstation, if he is weaktight you bet turn and river probably
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09-13-2011 , 01:56 PM
Hand one is terrible imo. I mean, you hit rock bottom of his range here and you're still flipping. Do you really think he's 4beting (!) flop with naked ten? Even with really crazy dynamics i prefer some pot control here.

As for hand 2, I would propably play the same. Calling 3bet preflop with 98s a bit over 100bb deep is pretty standart, unless he was 3betting less than like 15%. You hit great flop, I prefer raise flop here, although I'd raise bigger - 18-19$, to decrease his fold equity if he decides to shove and discourage him from calling (you don't really want to see a turn after you've raised).
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09-13-2011 , 02:46 PM
first hand u gotta just call the original c/r. 3b get it in is prob okay w/ 100bb stacks but ur too deep for that. second hand is okay but u can also peel the flop and go from there seein as you're in position
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09-13-2011 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Tutejszy
Hand one is terrible imo. I mean, you hit rock bottom of his range here and you're still flipping. Do you really think he's 4beting (!) flop with naked ten? Even with really crazy dynamics i prefer some pot control here.

As for hand 2, I would propably play the same. Calling 3bet preflop with 98s a bit over 100bb deep is pretty standart, unless he was 3betting less than like 15%. You hit great flop, I prefer raise flop here, although I'd raise bigger - 18-19$, to decrease his fold equity if he decides to shove and discourage him from calling (you don't really want to see a turn after you've raised).
totally agreed with potcontrol but i played with this guy1.2k hand on that night
and i had a lot of read. he was over agressive on flop until the whole session.
so yes it wasnt the best spot to shove but iknew i was better on flop.
conclusion: absolutely agreed with potcontrol with those stacksizes.
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09-13-2011 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by stusmokes
totally agreed with potcontrol but i played with this guy1.2k hand on that night
and i had a lot of read. he was over agressive on flop until the whole session.
so yes it wasnt the best spot to shove but iknew i was better on flop.
conclusion: absolutely agreed with potcontrol with those stacksizes.
If you knew that due to dynamics and such he will get it in pretty light on that flop in the first hand and therefore you believe it was the best play, what's your question. Why did you post the hand?
You obviously have reads that none of us here have.
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09-13-2011 , 03:33 PM
im interested in other players point to improve my game
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09-13-2011 , 03:56 PM
getting in almost 300 bb on the flop in hand one is really overplaying your hand. you got lucky were just flipping. just call the flop c/r and go from there.

raising to call it off with 9 high isn't great, although it's probably +EV

Last edited by cero_dinero; 09-13-2011 at 04:05 PM.
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09-13-2011 , 07:12 PM
Grunch:

Hand one I don't like a 3bet. I don't fold by any means but I call. You have a heart and some backdoors, you're not too worried to play turns.

Hand 2 obv fine.
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09-22-2011 , 02:19 PM
too deep in hand one to be getting it in otf probably call his raise then revaluate turn, which is obv a flop if he shoves,

hand 2: this a is more of a gamboooling spot but i would probably do the same
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09-22-2011 , 02:47 PM
hand 1 is spew this deep. would be fine 100bb deep. hand 2 is fine.
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