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10-27-2009 , 01:06 AM
Villain and I play a lot together. He is a winning reg running at 15/12/2.7 over 1.7k hands. PTR shows him winning at 3.8 ptbb/100 over 67k hands (I didn't look at this until after the hand, I promise).

Anyways, he is a reg, and he knows i am a reg, so he knows my range is super narrow here. He probably has me at like ~13/10 with a super tight PFR in EP.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $50.00
UTG: $50.00
Hero (UTG+1): $87.00
UTG+2: $115.70
MP1: $41.95
MP2: $46.60
CO: $155.25
BTN: $62.90
SB: $49.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, MP2 calls $2, CO raises to $8.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $25, 1 fold, CO calls $16.25

Can you assign a range here? I'm pretty sure he isn't 3betting very wide since I am in EP. I kinda messed up this hand because I might have assigned him an inaccurate range.
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10-27-2009 , 01:20 AM
Hes got KK or AA unless he's getting tricky... which hes not
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10-27-2009 , 01:26 AM
more important...what do u have MP2 at?

also, 4b size is a little large imo

and he has AA/KK and sometimes a misplayed AK
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10-27-2009 , 01:32 AM
MP2 is running at 19/8 over 140 hands.

I think there is a tiny chance he is calling wider since I might be squeezing out MP2, but either way, i am 4 betting OOP against someone who knows my range is narrow.

I'm glad you said it was too large, I was worried people would say it was too small - bet pot was $29, but I didn't want to scare anyone away.
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10-27-2009 , 01:35 AM
do you think he ever has QQ/AKs here? his 3b range may be slightly larger since it's a squeeze

the only question is do we check flop to induce spew? or just push? any bet commits us obv
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10-27-2009 , 01:35 AM
i would 4b to about $21.15...
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10-27-2009 , 01:47 AM
I like the .15
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10-27-2009 , 02:41 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $50.00
UTG: $50.00
Hero (UTG+1): $87.00
UTG+2: $115.70
MP1: $41.95
MP2: $46.60
CO: $155.25
BTN: $62.90
SB: $49.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, MP2 calls $2, CO raises to $8.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $25, 1 fold, CO calls $16.25

Flop: ($52.75) 3 Q 6 (2 players)
Hero?

K so we agree villain's range is super narrow. KK+, maybe QQ, maybe AK. This is a good flop except my perceived range is ~QQ+, so if I bet, KK might fold, right? If I check, KK might bet and then I can get the money in. Even if he checks behind, the pot is so huge that I could easily get the money in in two streets.

Bet or check folks?
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10-27-2009 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by m_hood115
do we have to 4bet? Do we think the reg is going to stack off with KK vs us for 150bb? can't we flat? Sucks being OOP, but if we flat we will have an overpair and an SPR of 3.5 :1 roughly, risky play, but I don't think we make any more by 4betting.
I considered flatting, but I don't think this is the right opponent to do so with. Maybe if I were IP, but this is a good reg and being OOP kinda deep with AA might be a little hard.
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10-27-2009 , 02:44 AM
who is this xxAldiptxx? I am pretty much checking any and all flops, and expect villain to bet, if he checks I bet2/3rd pot on turn and try to get stacks in.



ninja-edited because I am half blind and didn't see he flatted instead of folding.
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10-27-2009 , 02:51 AM
how do you know who villain is?

But yeah, I like checking too. If I persuade KK to fold here, I am doing something wrong imo.
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10-27-2009 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by luka allen
how do you know who villain is?

But yeah, I like checking too. If I persuade KK to fold here, I am doing something wrong imo.
because he never folds to 4bets when he 3bets, and I have seen him fold AKQ flops before in 4bet pots.

Lucky guess on the villain, but he is the only 50nl reg who would flat a 4bet that big, on FTP that is.
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10-27-2009 , 03:22 AM
yeah if it is him then i certainly like your larger 4bet sizing as we all know he isnt folding. I hate checking here, pretty sure he is never betting for us if we check and if he got there with QQ there is little we can do. Not even im folding AA here in a 4bet pot

we have ~$60 left or just over a psb, i bet like $38 and get the rest in on the flop if he raises or turn if he flats. You could go with betting like $14 and see if you can get him to spazz out but i really in this spot just play ABC poker and get it in vs the ******

He cant run like god forever
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10-27-2009 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by m_hood115
because he never folds to 4bets when he 3bets, and I have seen him fold AKQ flops before in 4bet pots.

Lucky guess on the villain, but he is the only 50nl reg who would flat a 4bet that big, on FTP that is.

Well this changes just about everything... wish I would have known that like 3 hours ago
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10-27-2009 , 03:27 AM
I think sizing between $20-$25 is fine considering stack sizes and apparent reads on flatting 4bet.

Flop $19 to induce spazz calls and raises. Ship remaining $43 into $91 on the turn.
Give his bluff range the appearance of possible FE. His value range is going in no matter what.

Question: Does he fold AQ more often to a $38 bet compared to a $19 bet?
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10-27-2009 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by luka allen
Well this changes just about everything... wish I would have known that like 3 hours ago
Yeah, I just fire at the pot since he prolly isn't going to fold, but he does indeed run like god so he will show up with QQ about 99% of the time . But we can't really fold AA here
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10-27-2009 , 03:41 AM
reg. your 4bet size.
it´s better to make it 27bb always (if you ever consider to 4bet bluff..)

here it´s ok as villain doesn´t care about 3bet sizes anyway.

as played i bet around 1/2 ps but ont he larger side. enough room for him to shove/call or even fold (no more money could be made anyway)
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10-27-2009 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JH1
I think sizing between $20-$25 is fine considering stack sizes and apparent reads on flatting 4bet.

Flop $19 to induce spazz calls and raises. Ship remaining $43 into $91 on the turn.
Give his bluff range the appearance of possible FE. His value range is going in no matter what.

Question: Does he fold AQ more often to a $38 bet compared to a $19 bet?
I pretty much removed AQ from his range. I'm not sure AQ is in his 3betting range much less his 4bet calling range
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10-27-2009 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by luka allen
I pretty much removed AQ from his range. I'm not sure AQ is in his 3betting range much less his 4bet calling range
So you're saying it's AK,QQ+? Then I think I still like small to induce AK spazz. Misread that villain was on ftp, was thinking of somebody else on stars who has AQ, KQ here.
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10-27-2009 , 03:47 AM
Well I check, thinking getting it in on the turn will be just as easy, since we only have 1 psb left. I guess I should have just got it in on the flop though.

Here comes the worst turn ever:

Flop: ($52.75) 3 Q 6 (2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($52.75) K (2 players)
Hero

Against a range of QQ+ we do what?
(obv if AK is in his range we can stack off easily)
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10-27-2009 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JH1
So you're saying it's AK,QQ+? Then I think I still like small to induce AK spazz. Misread that villain was on ftp, was thinking of somebody else on stars who has AQ, KQ here.
I'm naturally a nit. Always have been. This makes things difficult when assigning ranges. If I am villain, and a tightish player raises and 4bets, I am ditching AK, but I might be in the minority.
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10-27-2009 , 03:51 AM
wow, that turn card pretty much sucks. Not really sure how I feel about getting it in, now. I figure he would've bet KK or QQ on the flop though, so hopefully he has AK and will stack off with it.
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10-27-2009 , 05:00 AM
meh
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10-27-2009 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by m_hood115
wow, that turn card pretty much sucks. Not really sure how I feel about getting it in, now. I figure he would've bet KK or QQ on the flop though, so hopefully he has AK and will stack off with it.
QQ never bets this flop and KK is probably making a mistake by betting here.
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10-27-2009 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chargers In 09
QQ never bets this flop and KK is probably making a mistake by betting here.
would assume a decent player wouldn't flat a 4bet with either hand for 50bb either, but what can ya do?
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