villain is 17.65/14.12/3.0 over small sample (85 hands) but from the hands he's shown down i can tell he's a solid player.

based on the above, i don't think villain is ever stacking off with AK here. i think he might stack off with AQ but haven't played with him enough to know for sure. i remember on the flop thinking he was on AQ, AK or a set when he flatted with the BB left behind with $14 left. it looked like he was either trying to get an overcall knowing he was good, or was calling knowing he was ahead of BB but would reevaluate the turn.

so is this a spot to fold a set or no? if not, what spot do you (if ever)? i've been in a few of these spots lately, i'll post the other HH below this one. i won one of the hands (not necessarily by set over set), i lost the other, so this is not just tears for variance.

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Hero (BB): $87.50
UTG: $50.00
CO: $98.25
BTN: $18.75
SB: $69.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 3 3
1 fold, CO raises to $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($7.00) 3 6 A (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $4, BTN calls $4, SB folds, Hero raises to $16, CO calls $12, BTN folds

Turn: ($43.00) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $27, CO raises to $80.50 all in, Hero ?


and the other one, villain is 20.27/14.25/4.5 over ~500 hands.

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UTG: $60.35
Hero (MP): $67.25
CO: $91.05
BTN: $50.00
SB: $50.85
BB: $593.20

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with 3 3
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, CO raises to $5.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $3.75

Flop: ($11.75) 3 J 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($23.75) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $16, Hero raises to $55.75 all in, CO calls $39.75

don't check raise flop in 1 your line is way too strong.

and 2 get your bbv hands out of here.

Hand 1: Driest board ever, so this definitely is a possible spot for folding a set, since you can't really put him on a lot of hands if he's solid. Maybe he got crazy with A6 preflop, and AQ is definitely possible. I'm tempted to talking myself into calling just to see what he had here.

Hand 2: Obv. Sorry he had JJ..?

i have a set. that is bbv worthy?

u got money in with a set in a 3bet pot. How bad could that be? And your slightly deeper which makes preflop better.

yea, this is what i was thinking. i don't know if he'd flat A6 on the flop (thought i guess if he shoved over me on the flop i fold anything he has beat so flatting would make sense). but i also don't know if he'd shove AQ in this spot because my line is really strong and i don't know what he thinks i can call with that he's ahead of. AK? lol.

Hand 2 is standard.
Hand 1: I prefer bet/3betting here in a multiway pot. You cannot hope that villain will lead into a 4way A hi flop.
Played as you did, I think AQ is very possible, you are getting 3-1 on your call. I would call.

Hand 1 I call.
I don't like anything about hand 2.

ty, hadn't thought of this but i agree.

folding hand1 would be like ******ed

Hand 1, i guess he has AA, 66, AQ, A6, Adxd (AdKd more likely) so you probably should call. I know i couldnt fold a set there. 85 hand sample is not really enough to know that he wouldnt spew with

Hand 2, being a little bit deeper than 1buyin you can set mine. If he had JJ its a cooler, but surely QQ+ are playing the same way mostly so i see nothing wrong.

never fold either

Don't think I got a fold in me here for either hand, but I prefer leading on hand 1 then going from there. Hand2 is 100+% standard

folding hand 1 is absolutely criminal.
I cannot find a fold for hand 2 either

leading first hand is way better for making an ace screw up bigger and make 2pair go broke easy. second hand i like but hopefully that tiny cbet doesn't = top set and does = overpair.

wow please tell me you didn't fold either one of these hands

the whole idea of folding a set like EVER in hand 1 is just stupid, never fold here, there is so many hands he does this with we beat...

Hand 1 he doesn't have A6, 17/14 doesn't raise A6 from CO. Hand 2 I check/raise that flop and am happy to get the rest in when I get a chance.

The bbv comment is because you wouldn't be posting these if you won them. Set over set isn't that much of a beat, happens, never ever blame yourself for it--not at 50nl.

I don't much like the preflop call with 33 oop getting 15:1 in hand 2. Unless you're gonna make some moves when you miss, it's hard to see this being a profitable play. Given that you called and hit your set, rejoice for the times that you stack QQ, KK, AA, which are six times more likely than the JJ you ran into.

Hand 1, does villain take this line with AQ? Probably. So, we beat 9 combos, we're behind 6. And we're getting 3:1 on our money or something. It could be 1:1 and it would be a call.

I think a 14 PFR player could raise A6 from the CO, actually. I'm a 19/10 and if it's folded to me in the CO I'll raise A6 if the blinds are reasonably tight.

Hand 1: is totally standard.

Hand 2 : You can fold since you called the 3-bet precisely for this flop. I hate the call of the 3-bet preflop though and can't in anyway see this as being a profitable play.

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I agree with not folding either hand. For every time I get set over setted at these stakes, there's like 3 other times where the villain just got it all-in with 2-pair or an overpair so I almost never fold sets at $50 NL unless I have an extremely good reason to do so.

I STRONGLY disagree with the people suggesting that you lead in hand #1. Why? Because (1) it's four-way action, (2) there's an ace on the board, and (3) the most likely bettor is directly on your left. If you lead and CO raises then both BTN and SB will be facing a bet and a raise, and can EASILY fold their crappy hands. If you check and CO bets, then both BTN and SB can find a call with weak hands, either hoping to turn a loose 6 or 3 into two pair and a winner or hoping that the c-bet is a bluff and their weak ace or 77-KK are good. You trap lots of dead money that way, and that's just great for your pocketbook. Checkraising this flop seems pretty standard, but consider smooth-calling: the board is wickedly dry, so you can't really represent a draw. Also, since the board is wickedly dry you really don't fear ANY turn cards: hell, even another ace would be great for you, since it gets trip aces to stack off against your boat.

I think I'd be tempted to slowplay this set to the turn and try to get it all in on a turn CRAI. As played I stack off without a single worry here, figuring him for two pair or even TPTK. I just can't fear AA at this point, and other than that his line is stuffed to the gills with hands I beat.

In hand #2 I'm sorely tempted to fold preflop. A hand like 33 OOP and heads-up just isn't likely to get enough action to warrant a $3.75 call. Sure, we're deep, but being OOP makes it ridiculously hard to build the pot up sufficiently to make this +EV. Add in the fact that villain is pretty tight and we're either coinflipping or crushed. All told, this looks like a good time to fold a pocket pair.

As played, I probably check-raise this flop intending to call a push or open-push the turn. I want villain getting his money in now with his QQ/KK/AA before the board turns ugly. It's very hard for someone to put me on a set even on this dry board just because the pot is three-bet, so villain could easily call down light. Also, I want all the money in the middle in this hand, and I'm really worried that if I smooth-call the flop bet and check the turn villain checks behind, keeping the pot small with his overpair (or even underpair or unpaired AK). The pot is big, but I want it bigger, and being OOP I don't want to trust him with the betting.

As played I'm happy to get all-in; I still think overpairs are a significant fraction of his calling range.