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08-06-2014 , 04:25 AM
villain is regular tag 200 hands , 3bet 15% vs btn.

i feel very bad bluffing an unknown reg on nl50, they just nuts and always see the bluff.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

MP2 ($70.84)
CO ($50.75)
Hero (Button) ($54.18)
SB ($54.50)
BB ($31)
UTG ($111.71)
MP1 ($50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, K
4 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) K, 7, 6 (2 players)
SB bets $5.75, Hero calls $5.75

Turn: ($20) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $11, Hero calls $11

the fact that tons of flush and some Tx combos are removed cause i would shove turn with them doenst matter much i guess because he likely cant handread well.

River: ($42) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $33.43 (All-In), SB calls $33.43


this is the best hand to bluff here. should i never bluff here cause the draws came and he will always see enough bluffs in range?
08-06-2014 , 04:30 AM
easy shove
08-06-2014 , 04:32 AM
This isn't the best hand to bluff with at all. You've got top pair in a 3bet pot - that's a whole lot of showdown value you're wasting here.

Yes he'll have KQ and AK sometimes and the board does hit your range so he should fold these IMO. But it doesn't mean that he will, plus you're often raising your flush draws on that flop.

I'd just take my SDV and check, hopefully villain shows us QQ-JJ or an Ax semi bluff that gives up on the river.
08-06-2014 , 04:39 AM
you're talking like if he had a balanced x'ing range on that river.. and even if he had, this is an easy shove with the Js
08-06-2014 , 05:56 AM
great river to bluff if you have air
i think that he allways 3 barrrels with a flush and cant find many Ts in his range that would double bar
i do believe tho that most of his range that you cant allready beat is crying calling
i d take the showdown value
08-06-2014 , 06:08 AM
donkeystar which hand is better to bluff then?

and he wont show qqjj here he would check flop with it most of the time. this is part of basic balancing of flop ranges.

@martim: i dont think he has balanced range. but on this river its a big mistake, he should probably check his whole range cause most his turnbluffs got there. i dont see a way to play his range better OTR.

@gogals: i never have air otr, omg

Last edited by AAwasmyLIFE; 08-06-2014 at 06:18 AM.
08-06-2014 , 06:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AAwasmyLIFE
donkeystar which hand is better to bluff then?

and he wont show qqjj here he would check flop with it most of the time. this is part of basic balancing of flop ranges.

@martim: i dont think he has. but on this river its a big mistake, he should probably check his whole range cause most his turnbluffs got there. i dont see a way to play his range better OTR.
Isn't't that a reason to bet, not check?
08-06-2014 , 06:17 AM
no? that was more offtopic theory....
i personally (a player who thinks his home is not the micros) dont know many nl50 regs who are not ******ed, and dont always think there are enough bluffs to call with every pair.

anyway thx for the answers.
08-06-2014 , 07:20 AM
Calling 50nl regs ******ed is a bit strange from you, most of your threads ask of you should fold KK pre
08-06-2014 , 07:31 AM
I think it's good because he has a lot of better one pair hands and it doesn't look possible for you to have air so it's hard for him to call KQ, AK, AA etc.
08-06-2014 , 07:37 AM
It's normal human condition to think we are better than we really are

As for the hand, don't think it matters much check and shove should have similar ev.
OP is a new player most likely as he has 0 reads after 200 hands and isn't aware of dynamics or history at all. Think it's best to flip a coin here :]
08-06-2014 , 07:53 AM
lol i am better than every single one on nl50 probably (edit: i talk mainly about FULLRING) ... but this is nothing im proud of or that someone should be proud of imo.
maybe i also have a wrong impression of the pool, but seems unrealistic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
Calling 50nl regs ******ed is a bit strange from you, most of your threads ask of you should fold KK pre
depends how u define regular also.
but the average nl50 regular is just a very very weak pokerplayer compared to as eg. a thinking poker professional.

Last edited by AAwasmyLIFE; 08-06-2014 at 07:59 AM.
08-06-2014 , 07:55 AM
Would shove too..
08-06-2014 , 07:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AAwasmyLIFE
lol i am better than every single one on nl50 probably... but this is nothing im proud of or that someone should be proud of imo.
maybe i also have a wrong impression of the pool, had the pleasure to play with spazzregs alot...idk



depends how u define regular also.
but the average nl50 regular is just a very weak pokerplayer compared to as eg. a thinking poker professional.
Prop Bet?!
Youe hourly shouldn't suffer that much if you're >10bb/100.
08-06-2014 , 08:00 AM
wtf, what prob bet?

and no if a topplayer would go nl50 instead of lets say 100 the hourly would suffer, especially including rb.
08-06-2014 , 09:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AAwasmyLIFE
lol i am better than every single one on nl50 probably (edit: i talk mainly about FULLRING) ... but this is nothing im proud of or that someone should be proud of imo.
maybe i also have a wrong impression of the pool, but seems unrealistic.



depends how u define regular also.
but the average nl50 regular is just a very very weak pokerplayer compared to as eg. a thinking poker professional.
If you are so much better than all 50NL regs, why are you asking a bunch of 50NL regs for advice? clearly you own them all
08-06-2014 , 09:18 AM
tard
08-06-2014 , 09:20 AM
JsJx is a better bluffing hand or any lower pair on this board like 7x etc
08-06-2014 , 09:26 AM
should we 4bet vs 15%+ 3bet + that he seems aggressive in general?
08-06-2014 , 09:49 AM
ok ... im watching this thread and i still cant understand what you think he ll fold .

do you expect to take it down 100% ?

do you believe that he is able to fold a set?

i am not trying to prove you wrong . i just want to understand what do you think is the bottom of his calling range if u believe there is one
08-06-2014 , 10:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AAwasmyLIFE
should we 4bet vs 15%+ 3bet + that he seems aggressive in general?
Now i really doubt that you are better than all other NL50 players in the pool..
08-06-2014 , 10:13 AM
ACE OF HEARTS KING OF HEARTS


Quote:
Originally Posted by MattiasH123
Now i really doubt that you are better than all other NL50 players in the pool..
ur just a fishreg who needs to swing his dick around here, **** off.
and i wish u much fun with me on tables kid
08-06-2014 , 10:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AAwasmyLIFE
ACE OF HEARTS KING OF HEARTS




ur just a fishreg who needs to swing his dick around here, **** off.
and i wish u much fun with me on tables kid
Lol says the guy who brags about being the best 50nl reg, who from the threads you have posted is closer to a fishreg then the best.
08-06-2014 , 10:31 AM
now when u scared to post trash in the pokerstars regs thread u need to compensate it here u epicfail?

seriously **** off u complexdamaged f.ag and never write to me again u fish.

ur a terrible player and probably a troll.
08-06-2014 , 10:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon93PCTSure
It's normal human condition to think we are better than we really are

As for the hand, don't think it matters much check and shove should have similar ev.
OP is a new player most likely as he has 0 reads after 200 hands and isn't aware of dynamics or history at all. Think it's best to flip a coin here :]
I must be really really bad then
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