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07-06-2009 , 08:31 AM

kaah

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villan has 3bet pretty much every hand and seems very aggro so far

32/30/4 86 hands.. 3bet 25% he has never 4bet but I believe this is because nobody has given him a chance to do it yet.

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Dealt to Hero A

UTG raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $5, fold, fold, fold, [color=red]UTG raises to $14, Hero raises to $49.25

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07-06-2009 , 08:33 AM

Swingster

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Dont 3bet this type of hand. Fold now.

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07-06-2009 , 08:40 AM

vezj420

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u're better off flatting the UTG raise and playing post flop. you might pick up a few overcallers this way too, good odds for a drawing hand.

that said, I kinda LIKE the 5bet against the aggrodonk who seems to be pushing the table around (sigh, even in NL50). his 4bet does seem a bit weak, although he may have suddenly caught a monster - it does happen.

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07-06-2009 , 08:48 AM

Swingster

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Well actually,

3betting these type of hands is ok sometimes, but not here. His UTG opening range might be looser than usual but its still as tight as it is gonna get for him... and he is rarely 4bet bluffing here since Im sure he is somewhat aware of his image and you did just 3bet his utg raise from UTG+1.

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07-06-2009 , 08:53 AM

BlackDespair

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i actually don t think it is too bad, having one ace in our hand. but i dislike a 3 bet with A8s with 4 players to act behind us.
once he 4 bets and when he is not only doing this with KK+ i kinda like a shove.

Although not a lot of peopl 4 bet as a bluff when their utg open has been 3 bet.

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07-06-2009 , 09:06 AM

orpz

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this is exactly what he wants you to do..

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07-06-2009 , 09:06 AM

lima

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let's say that his 4bet range here is as wide as we can possibly imagine (88+, AT+)...so you have like 30% equity against all his PP hands and are dominated against his As...if he calls, that is...and he can easily do that...

I don't like 5bet bluffing and think it's too fancy play for micros...

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07-06-2009 , 09:09 AM

Swingster

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Yup don't shove. Thats a bit wreckless.

fwiw Id prob fold pre, call sometimes if the players behind were likely to call too but meh.

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07-06-2009 , 09:17 AM

slipp3ry333

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It's the kind of thing I toy with but then end up bottling it, waiting for a better spot and see villain stack off to someone else a few hands later with 6's.

If everyone is agreed that A8s isn't the hand that we are running with what is our range for this play?

TT+, AJs+?

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07-06-2009 , 09:19 AM

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JackOfPain

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Originally Posted by BlackDespair

i actually don t think it is too bad, having one ace in our hand. but i dislike a 3 bet with A8s with 4 players to act behind us.

this, we have FE & probably flipping if called or 60/40 but I think it's profitable.

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07-06-2009 , 09:21 AM

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Swingster

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Originally Posted by slipp3ry333

Im not sure I have a light 3bet range for this, in fact Id go as far as to say I only 3bet here for value and thats with QQ+ and AKo/s. There are so many unknowns namely the people to act behind you.

I'd prob call with everything esle like A10s (fold A10o), AJo and s+, KQ, KJs, pocket pairs JJ down I might 3bet JJ for value but prob not given those to act behind me and the villain did open UTG.

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07-06-2009 , 11:27 AM

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kaah

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If he had pos on me I would have 4bet shoved A8s vs his 3bet for sure..
He had never 4bet before but seemed like a player who plays higher steped down and trying to run over a table

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07-06-2009 , 11:44 AM

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BlackDespair

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yeah for the micros its just to FPS. fancy.

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07-06-2009 , 11:47 AM

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ooohjoy

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I don't mind it. He's UTG so his range is a bit tighter, but you know what? F this guy.

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07-06-2009 , 11:52 AM

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Brian J

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Villain is absolutely loving it when you decide it is time to stack off with Ace baby. This is not how you adjust to a LAG.

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07-06-2009 , 12:23 PM

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caught_clean

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Originally Posted by Brian J

Villain is absolutely loving it when you decide it is time to stack off with Ace baby. This is not how you adjust to a LAG.

this.

Ax is not the type of hand to 3bet a lag imo.

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07-06-2009 , 12:24 PM

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gateswi

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fwiw he's tightest UTG so we might pick our spots better next time... but if you have decided to take a stand and 4b light A8s is a decent hand... we fold out all dominating Aces except AK and have a blocker to AA so we probably aren't dead.

I'd guess we're about 30% against a 4bet/calling range of TT+/AK

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07-06-2009 , 01:00 PM

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Brian J

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Originally Posted by gateswi

fwiw he's tightest UTG so we might pick our spots better next time...

Not only this (and this is important) but 1) the more he does it and people at the table notice and he notices that people at the table are noticing his range automatically starts to tighten up when he continues. and 2) The best time to catch these guys is earlier than later and definitely not from UTG. 1+2=trouble. This is basic LAG theory btw.

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07-06-2009 , 01:54 PM

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Say Wuut

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definetely dont 3b... against UTG 4b range I dont think your 5b has enough fold equity to make this a good play, even against such an aggro villain

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