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NL50: 99 overpair against aggro plyr NL50: 99 overpair against aggro plyr

04-06-2008 , 02:56 AM
Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $56.20
UTG+2: $17.45
MP1: $94.95
MP2: $124
Hero (CO): $54.10
BTN: $47.70
SB: $42.65
BB: $51.70
UTG: $50.35

Pre-Flop: 9 9 dealt to Hero (CO)
3 folds, MP1 raises to $1.75, MP2 calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($6) 7 2 6 (3 Players)
MP1 bets $3.50, MP2 calls $3.50, Hero raises to $12.25, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $8.75

Turn: ($34) 4 (2 Players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $18.10, MP2 calls $18.10

River: ($70.20) 5 (2 Players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

Results: $70.20 Pot ($3 Rake)
MP2 showed J J (a pair of Jacks) and WON $67.20 (+$35.10 NET)
Hero showed 9 9 (a pair of Nines) and LOST (-$32.10 NET)

What do you think of my line here? I think a fold on the flop is kind of weak and I have no idea where I'm at if I just coldcall. Any suggestions?
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04-06-2008 , 03:15 AM
I think flop is fine. You raise to get information. Now you get called and got your information, that you are beat. I would just check it down.
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04-06-2008 , 03:20 AM
Don't raise the flop.

You never should be raising to get information.
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04-06-2008 , 07:05 AM
Raising doesn't give you enough useful information.

First of all you are paying $12.25 for this.
if either of them raise you have spent $12.25 to fold.
If they both fold, great
if either one of them flat calls, you have actually not really gained much information apart from the fact that you are more than likely beat. You might be ahead, but you don't know that - the information you paid for is rubbish

I think the raise on the flop is more of a bluff than anything else, as very few worse hands call, and better ones call or raise.
I don't like it
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04-06-2008 , 07:24 AM
You can't fold this flop, but I'd call and check it down. You want to keep this pot as small as possible.
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04-06-2008 , 07:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggpie
Raising doesn't give you enough useful information.
as discussed, the information gained isn't worth the cost of raising the flop. but how could this hand be played better?

would 3 betting pre flop be more worthwhile?
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04-06-2008 , 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggpie

I think the raise on the flop is more of a bluff than anything else, as very few worse hands call, and better ones call or raise.
I don't like it
There are like 1 Million cards we don´t want to see on the turn. I raise here to protect my weak holding.
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04-06-2008 , 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBad
There are like 1 Million cards we don´t want to see on the turn. I raise here to protect my weak holding.
I see your point, but fortunately the site I play at only has 47 more cards in the deck.
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04-06-2008 , 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith37
as discussed, the information gained isn't worth the cost of raising the flop. but how could this hand be played better?

would 3 betting pre flop be more worthwhile?
3 betting depends, OP provided no reads.
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04-06-2008 , 05:31 PM
I like the flop raise. MP1's c-bet is weak and MP2 just called so he is usually weak or drawing as well. I say raise it up for value.
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04-08-2008 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by shark6
I like the flop raise. MP1's c-bet is weak and MP2 just called so he is usually weak or drawing as well. I say raise it up for value.
Or MP2 has a set and he is trying to milk call from you. Board isn't that scary for set but if MP2 raises here almost every time he will get 2 folds and nothing else.
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04-08-2008 , 09:26 AM
i raise the flop sometimes but no way you make another bet on turn after he calls you
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04-08-2008 , 09:37 AM
Tough hand even though you are in position. I think 3 betting PF is player dependent. If you don't have stats on the villain, I would not try it here.

On the flop, I think I just call and aim to keep the pot small. You have a very vulnerable overpair, and you also have position. Raising is not bad, but you found out your information, you are beat. You can successfully put the villain on a much more narrow range such as TT, JJ, or QQ here, as most players would probably just reraise with KK or AA because they can't get away from those hands and want to play big pots with them.

As played, I think you should check the turn to keep it small. However, the turn and river provide you with a very very scary board for the villain to call you with an overpair. I think an $18 bet on the river takes this pot down if you check the turn. Think of this hand as floating with a solid overpair hand.

-Wick
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04-08-2008 , 10:51 AM
I like your raise on flop, u said that villain is a aggro player, but u havent said anything about if he is loose or not. u raise on flop, to get him off ajs+ type hands which prob would be in his opening range from his pos.

But when u bet 18 on turn u are committed to the pot imo, u are then in with about 2/3 of your stack only to check the river?? i would either push or check on turn. depending on what reads i have on villain.
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04-08-2008 , 11:19 AM
Although it would not have been my line, I don't mind the flop raise here. The reason I kinda like it is that this raise will often make the villain check the turn allowing us to check behind and go to the river.

Thus I am not sure that a lot of the time the raise on the flop achieves "keeping the pot small" just as well as a flat call on the flop and then facing a bet on the turn. The main difference is that if we raise the flop, any villain who calls us will be more weary to bet into the turn (unless of course he has a very strong hand.) thus raising the flop might allow us to see the turn AND the river. We can't discount also the FE we have by raising on the flop.

As I said my first instinct would have been to flat call on the flop, but thinking about it now I kinda like the raise since we have position and it might give us a free river.

Last edited by ncaron; 04-08-2008 at 11:30 AM.
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04-08-2008 , 11:27 AM
In the title of the post, you say that this hand is against an 'aggro player'. Is MP1 or MP2 the aggro villain? If both players are aggro, I'd probably squeeze from the CO preflop (depending on the two villains' pfr%).

Either way, your flop raise got called by MP1 so I'd check behind on the turn figuring him for an overpair to your 99s. As someone else stated, you want to keep this pot small.
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04-08-2008 , 01:08 PM
3bet pf would have been very helpful imo.

3bet pf +flop cbet can pretty much tell you where you're at imo.
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04-08-2008 , 01:27 PM
I hate the flop raise because you're blowing out the significant part of his range you beat (missed overs) and might fire a 2nd barrel on a low/blank turn but will shut down the river regardless short of an obvious spike.
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04-08-2008 , 01:36 PM
don't post results....
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