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NL50 - AT 2pair facing miniraise on flop NL50 - AT 2pair facing miniraise on flop

01-08-2008 , 09:06 PM
Okay, so I have no reads other than the history of the hand I am going to post right now. I have been playing without the hud for at least 1hr every day in an attempt to improve my hand reading ability and also my perception of the game. When I play with the hud I tend to trust the hud too much, and make some mistakes.

So the read is that this guy floated with bottom pair draw my cbet+2ndbarrel, and then attempted to bluff me when I checked the river.

Here is the hand:

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $59.25
BB: $105.05
UTG: $60.40
MP: $63.35
Hero (CO): $50
BTN: $59.55

Pre-Flop: 8 7 dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, BTN calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 5 7 4 (2 Players)
Hero bets $3.50, BTN calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.75) 9 (2 Players)
Hero bets $6.50, BTN calls $6.50

River: ($24.75) T (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50

Results: $43.75 Pot ($2.15 Rake)
Hero showed 8 7 (a pair of Sevens) and WON $41.60 (+$20.10 NET)
BTN showed 5 6 (a pair of Fives) and LOST (-$21.50 NET)

I am probably running 19/18/3 at this point and I have been on the table for about 30 minutes. I had notice this guy also doesn't reload which imo is weak.

Two hands later, this hand came up.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: $59.75
BTN: $104.30
SB: $59.90
BB: $63.35
Hero (UTG): $70.10
MP: $38.05

Pre-Flop: A T dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $2, MP calls $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($6.50) T K A (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, MP raises to $10, SB folds, Hero

This is a pretty sick board, I can see him holding, any broadway + any suited.

What is the best line given the history + the board? Is getting it all in on the flop standard vs this mini raiser?
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01-08-2008 , 09:16 PM
As I see it you don't really have a choice but to put him allin, since you're not gonna fold and calling is worse. I'm really only worried about QJ and there are a lot of combodraws that he could do this with so stick it in.
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01-08-2008 , 09:30 PM
shove and be happy
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01-08-2008 , 09:51 PM
dont shove..4bet ! make it 28-32$
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01-08-2008 , 10:16 PM
shoving looks like more like a draw
and is more likely to be looked up by something bad

Therefore it is better
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01-08-2008 , 10:26 PM
I also think shove. It is a pretty sick board though.
I think the mini raise hear looks a bit weak, what do people think???

He has followed you to the river with bottom pair, which to suggests that he could easily be drawing or have an A. I think that if he had the straight already he would be either smooth calling and hoping to avoid the flush or raising it up more to stop you from drawing to the flush.
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01-08-2008 , 10:30 PM
if your not comfortable getting it in on the flop against this guy then checking back that flop isn't unreasonable. That said the first hand the board is much safer than the second, and he calls down in position rather than minraising out of position. I'd be pretty worried but I'd have a hard time folding after seeing how spewy he is in the first hand.
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01-08-2008 , 11:08 PM
He had mid pair and OESD on the other hand, so it wasn't a terrible call, in fact a raise on the flop would have been better IMO. I mean

how often is a 19/18 raiser hitting 5 7 4 any better than his OESD draw and mid pair anyway. The action from then on was obviously

assuming you only had overcards like AK/AQ, not the flush or overpair, which might have been a little silly, but not completely

unbelievable given the river check. Am I alone on this one?

Anyway, it obviously shows he can call a strong bet IP with a wide range, which is great for us here.

A few alarm bells are going off here though. If he understands position and your stats, he'll know this is smack bang in your range from

UTG. In fact he couldn't not put you on at least an AT+/KQ (look at last hand where he put you on AK/AQ) unless he thnks you are bluff cbetting with another SC or medium pair hand. He also called with a strong draw last hand, but is now raising, when this board is perfectly in your range.

The worst part is things point to him being a donk. I guess you have to shove as you are ahead of many of the hands he think he has you beaten with QQ/JJ/AQ/AJ, and he has proven to be a bit of a donk, but I certainly think you'll be behind sometimes here, mainly AK/QJ/TT.
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