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Nl5 Zoom Folding on turn? 400BB pot Nl5 Zoom Folding on turn? 400BB pot

06-12-2016 , 06:15 AM
Hello
I do not have the history but i wrote the hand down as good i as remember.
My thoughtprocess is below the hh.

I never played with either the SB or UTG.
Nl5 Zoom.

UTG (200+ BB ) Raises to 17c.
SB (100BB) calls 17c.
BB( Around 195BB, UTG got me covered) calls 17c with K J

Flop: Pot: ~ 0.49$ (Numbers will be off a bit due to memory posting) 8 7 A

SB leads 29c
BB calls 29 c
UTG raises to 1.5$
SB folds
BB reraises to 3.6$
UTG calls 3.6$

Turn: A Pot: 8.27$
BB checks
UTG all in for 6.15 $
BB calls 6.15 $

Thought process:

Going to write this starting with my flop raise. I'm open for debating preflop.

So when we call flop our hands can look like Sets, TP's, Ax, and draws. After we reraise the original raisers reraise of 1.5$ i think we polarize our range to sets, A7 and draws. We call A5 and 75.
I think given that he should fold a hand like AK given how deep stacked we are. I was planning on folding to a raise. He only has 55+ and Ahigh draws. When he calls his range looks fairly strong. Mostly having sets, TP's. I don't expect him to still hold Ax.

I was thinking folding flop to his initial raise would be okay aswell, because his raise is so strong and we often face a better flush draw. I took the line because i thought there is a good chance the player raises with a strong Ace. I obv raised to make him fold Ax

Now on the turn i was lost. I made my flush which is nice, but all A7,A5 and sets are boats now. So i check because in my mind basicly all Ax should have folded on the flop and i am beat. The Player puts me All in and looking back I think this is a fold? Assuming my range analysis is somewhat accurate. He should always has me beat ott imo.

I reluctantly called because it was Nl5 and people do LOL stuff here.
Spoiler:
He had AQ. The River came a blank & i won.
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06-12-2016 , 10:34 AM
What, folding nut flush when you can get paid off? Easy call, A7 and A8 from UTG opener...not that many combos in his range.

No reason to reraise flop though. Flat two times, that huge raise isn't what we love to see. I'd argue calling the raise isn't always the best here with 2nd nut fd.
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06-12-2016 , 11:43 AM
I struggle to see a hand calling me here if we were to shove the turn. Besides AK/AQ ( which i wanted to fold out otf)
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06-12-2016 , 04:28 PM
IMO just flat the flop 3bet. Your reraise is essentially narrowing his range to two pairs, sets, nut flush draws and lastly MAYBE top pair strong kicker hands if he continues. It's completely reasonable for Villain to be opening A7s and A8s from UTG. You are only beating TpTk hands on this turn and its very opponent based whether he'd stick around with AJ AQ AK on the flop however i think at 5nl there is more value in flatting against top pair top kicker hands. I think your logic of trying to fold out these hands on the flop is fundamentally flawed, especially when playing 5nl. First off, at 5nl you will likely get paid if you hit your flush against AK AQ AJ when flatting the flop even though your hand would be face up against a competent player. Secondly, most recs at 5nl are just never laying down a top pair strong kicker hand here and there is likely more value in them paying you when you do make your flush after flatting. IMO you are trying to make a move that is only +EV against very competent players that you have lots of history with, meaning players that WONT pay you when you hit ur flush if you choose to flat and also WILL lay down top pair strong kicker on the flop. at 5nl most players (even most "regs") will pay you enough of the time when you hit your flush and won't fold top pair top kicker hands out either.
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06-12-2016 , 04:38 PM
Oh and I almost forgot, as played ya just shrug and call the turn shove. Even though you are blocking AK AJ I think you have committed too many chips to be folding the nut flush here against an unknown player at 5nl who like you said will do lots of LOL stuff here with AK AQ AJ and then the classic completely impulsive random spazz bluff enough of the time that you just cant lay down the nut flush when you have committed like 75bb.
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06-13-2016 , 02:47 PM
Thanks for the input.
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06-13-2016 , 03:02 PM
That flop raise is a mistake. When you hold hearts you're narrowing his bluff range in a spot where he'll be inclined to take his pot odds with most draws anyway. If he shoved turn with worse it's pretty awful and I expect him to have 77/88 most of the time. To have worse on the turn he needs some worse hearts or to have raised flop with naked Ax. Still, it's 5nl and never under estimate the spaz factor, sets will shove flop a lot, so it's a very meh spot.
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