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NL5 value bet river? NL5 value bet river?

11-01-2009 , 06:28 PM
This guy was 22/9/11 over 23 hands. This guy wasn't much of a call station so I was pretty suspicious here, how often do I value raise this river and how do I think about whether I'm supposed to value bet or not? Thanks.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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Hero (BB): $5.00
CO: $3.97
BTN: $6.37
SB: $28.99

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with A J
2 folds, SB raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30) 6 5 J (2 players)
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.70) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.49, SB calls $0.49

River: ($1.68) A (2 players)
SB bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45

Last edited by NoMeansNo; 11-01-2009 at 06:36 PM.
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11-01-2009 , 06:34 PM
RAISE IT!!!
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11-01-2009 , 06:36 PM
raise flop
raise river
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11-01-2009 , 06:44 PM
i know this was terrible........I'm sorry.
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11-01-2009 , 07:05 PM
All's forgiven.

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Originally Posted by fourie
raise flop
raise river
Just make sure you do this next time.
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11-01-2009 , 08:30 PM
3bet pre imo. Raise flop and river as played. Ez game.
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11-01-2009 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mygibbs
3bet pre imo.
Yes. Start here imo.
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11-01-2009 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mygibbs
3bet pre imo. Raise flop and river as played. Ez game.
This seems really unnecessary at 5nl and will just complicate pots for OP when there really is no need.
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11-01-2009 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
This seems really unnecessary at 5nl and will just complicate pots for OP when there really is no need.
No offense to you spraggy but I think uNL levels itself by saying we should never bluff or 3bet much because everyone's a donkey. Really, we're just owning our own profitability that way because we'll suck at it at ssnl, might as well learn when it's cheap and b. never bluffing is super exploitable, and there are some situations when bluffing is clearly profitable.
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11-01-2009 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
This seems really unnecessary at 5nl and will just complicate pots for OP when there really is no need.
Also, it really shouldn't complicate pots, sb should be folding a high percentage of the time, and we'll be IP for the rest of the hand in a 3bet pot heads up. Pretty plus ev if you ask me.
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11-01-2009 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mygibbs
No offense to you spraggy but I think uNL levels itself by saying we should never bluff or 3bet much because everyone's a donkey. Really, we're just owning our own profitability that way because we'll suck at it at ssnl, might as well learn when it's cheap and b. never bluffing is super exploitable, and there are some situations when bluffing is clearly profitable.
The point is that @ 2NL-10NL:

a.) there aren't really that that many spots where bluffing is 'clearly' profitable

b.) we can't identify these spots anyway because the reason we're playing at these stakes is because we're a relative beginner and our post-flop/hand-reading skills are pretty basic. forced aggression vs a sea of calling-stations = spew.

c.) lol we're not explotable @ these stakes

d.) we beat these stakes by learning the fundementals of value-betting and not being fancy, before we start to open up @ 25NL+ where there are more exploitable oppertunities to 'play poker' and our post-flop game is better equipt to pick out these spots.

imo
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11-01-2009 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by EV+ Eevee
The point is that @ 2NL-10NL:

a.) there aren't really that that many spots where bluffing is 'clearly' profitable

b.) we can't identify these spots anyway because the reason we're playing at these stakes is because we're a relative beginner and our post-flop/hand-reading skills are pretty basic. forced aggression vs a sea of calling-stations = spew.

c.) lol we're not explotable @ these stakes

d.) we beat these stakes by learning the fundementals of value-betting and not being fancy, before we start to open up @ 25NL+ where there are more exploitable oppertunities to 'play poker' and our post-flop game is better equipt to pick out these spots.

imo
Meh, I've been on a mission to improve my red line, so I've been experimenting a lot with bluffing, and I've found a few spots where I think bluffing is pretty standard but whatev.

And yea, we're probably not exploitable but sometimes when I sit at tables with a couple regs to my right I can really run them over because a lot of their lines are super transparent.

I'm basically just advocating that people at uNL expand their game because microstakes would be the slowest grind ever if all we did was just vbet when you have a hand and fold when we don't.
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11-01-2009 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
This seems really unnecessary at 5nl and will just complicate pots for OP when there really is no need.
Not value 3-betting this BVB loses too much value. Cannot see how playing a 3-bet IP can be complicated esp with a strong hand.
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11-01-2009 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mygibbs
No offense to you spraggy but I think uNL levels itself by saying we should never bluff or 3bet much because everyone's a donkey. Really, we're just owning our own profitability that way because we'll suck at it at ssnl, might as well learn when it's cheap and b. never bluffing is super exploitable, and there are some situations when bluffing is clearly profitable.
Never bluffing is super exploitable you're right but micro stakes are full of ****ing morons who wont ever exploit you. There really is no need to 3bet this hand given the fact we are IP. Our winrate at micros is going to be affected by how well we value bet and how often we fold in correct spots etc... not whether we 3bet in spots like this IMO. You are right also in saying that there are profitable bluffing spots at the micros... but in general it's widely accepted to be a bad idea because they will call you down so damn light.
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11-01-2009 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mygibbs

I'm basically just advocating that people at uNL expand their game because microstakes would be the slowest grind ever if all we did was just vbet when you have a hand and fold when we don't.
It's not as simple as that though is it. If you are playing good fundamental poker, you're playing way better than 95% of micro stakes players and this is all it takes to be profitable. Hand here is meh, yes you can 3bet, I probably do myself in some circumstances. Im just saying there is no need to get too worried about 3betting ligh and bluff spots and red lines at the micros because it's just too easy to beat without worrying about these things. Yes we have to consider them when thinking about moving up to ssnl. So when playing 50nl these are concepts we must adapt to and understand, but for someone starting out, learning the basics and building a roll at 5nl they are completely unnecessary.
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11-02-2009 , 12:49 AM
I've been trying to find the right spots to 3bet guys that are in CO and BTN and pickoff their raises, any advice?
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