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12-13-2014 , 09:25 AM
My opponent was 85/15 (only 13 hands)
Did I make the mistake of going All-in here? (eventhough I won I don't feel this could be the right play most of the time)

I 3bet my QQ preflop and come onto a dry board, didn't put him on a 4 since he called my 3bet preflop so "34, 45, A4" are very unlikely. He could however have pocket Tens or JT or a higher pocket maybe? in any of these cases I would lose to him on the river.

Am I gambling here?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $5.00
UTG: $11.77
BTN: $5.00
Hero (SB): $7.82

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to $0.12, fold, Hero raises to $0.35, BB calls $0.30, fold

Flop: ($0.82, 2 players) 4 T 4
Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.02, 2 players) 9
Hero bets $1.94, BB calls $1.94

River: ($5.90, 2 players) T
Hero bets $4.93 and is all-in, BB calls $2.11 and is all-in

Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Tens) (Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
BB shows 3 3 (Two Pair, Tens and Fours) (Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins $9.70

Last edited by marre; 12-13-2014 at 09:31 AM.
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12-13-2014 , 09:56 AM
I think even over only 13 hands 85% vpip suggests he is very loose preflop, which usually means he's a calling station postflop. I agree a 4 is unlikely.

betting the turn is fine he could still have a T, mid PP, FD. The river means that if he had a T he's hit trips but he still has mid pairs (77,88 maybe more) and JJ, also busted draws. Given the size of his stack to pot Id shove, I dont want to check and have him check back 88 when he'd have called.
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12-13-2014 , 10:10 AM
true the flushdraw :-/ He might aswell go for his FD all that time so maybe a river check would be safer? Even versus this kind of player?
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12-13-2014 , 10:22 AM
Why did he call a shove when he's playing the board?
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12-13-2014 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by smokybacon
Why did he call a shove when he's playing the board?
I think it is obvious he doesn't have clue about what he is doing but that isn't my question. ;-) Maybe I should have hidden the outcome after the shove? :-) Because with a FD and two T's on board I didnt feel that comfy at all on river.
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12-13-2014 , 04:04 PM
From my small experience, I've come to realize that a pretty big part of these guys range is pocket pairs. They can rarely, almost never find a fold with a pocket pair no matter the action/board. This is like the most extreme example I have seen so far. Imo this is something to keep in mind when these players keep calling on dry boards.
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12-13-2014 , 04:16 PM
You can go smaller on the turn and still set up a nice river shove.

Nh though.
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12-13-2014 , 07:17 PM
Yeah, well played
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12-13-2014 , 07:26 PM
3bet bigger preflop.
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12-14-2014 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Zombiefan
3bet bigger preflop.
yeh I should def. have 3bet bigger preflop and pay more attention to my betsizing overall!

@Bladesman87
My bet on turn should have been smaller aswell : correct my way of thinking =>

When betting as big as I did (+/-pot) it could bet to protect my hand from any kind of draws but on this dry board that shouldn't be the issue. Second, when betting big, only better hands will call and worse hands will normaly fold. So a normal value bet should do the same at a cheaper price with still a possibility to shove it on the river.

@aziarg
That is a good thing to keep in mind and I will! (with a carefull critical eye though)


Thanks all for the replies allready for this mediocre play!
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12-14-2014 , 03:12 PM
nh
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12-15-2014 , 06:33 AM
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When betting as big as I did (+/-pot) it could bet to protect my hand from any kind of draws but on this dry board that shouldn't be the issue. Second, when betting big, only better hands will call and worse hands will normaly fold. So a normal value bet should do the same at a cheaper price with still a possibility to shove it on the river.
Yeah, this is good. It's also that we aren't so worried about protection, it's primarily value, so we want to give him a good price on the turn. Also if you ever want to be bluffing rivers you neuter yourself because you can't really get any folds when there's $2.11 behind and a pot of $5.90. But it's not like we care about having bluffs against this guy, which is why I said nh.
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