EDIT* Shouldve added flopped top two in title

Villain seems fishy but only ~15 hands

VP:50 PFR:14

What do you think of my over continuation bet? I feel he's only going to be calling with pairs or draws and not laying anything down.

Turn: What do you think I should do here? Feel we have to bet, but what size?
Had mixed feelings about the 6h , usually a good card especially vs over bet line. However, if anyone is going to float the flop with a pair of sixes it would be this type of villain.

River: Worst card ever. Standard fold?

Winning Poker Network - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 104.4 BB
BTN: 283.4 BB
Hero (SB): 112 BB
BB: 104.6 BB
UTG: 105.4 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, BB calls 3 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 2 players) K 6 J
Hero bets 12 BB, BB calls 12 BB

Turn: (32 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 24 BB, BB calls 24 BB

River: (80 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BB bets 64.6 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 76 BB

why 4bbs pre? why 1.5x pot otf? super confused at this line.

River is the nut worst card in the deck, and we beat very little at this point somehow. I tend to not believe 50/14 fish bluff river cards like this, so I guess I'd fold. Literally can't imagine a value hand he has here.

3BB pre, 4.5BB flop, 12BB turn, b/f river small. Fish can call with Kx and Jx and sometimes even worse. He's gonna shove a pretty honest range vs a bet ime, so it's not like we're inducing and he's just gonna go nuts and turn J9 into a bluff.

Stated why I made it 1.5x pot OTF. Reason, saw a video on dragthebar.com (micro video too) and I think he overbet a 56s7 flop or something with set (most likely had position). Basically saying, if hes calling hes calling, so why not make him pay for his draw.

Preflop, don't know if Im correct about 4bbs out of position Blind vs Blind. I remember reading once we want to start getting money in the pot for when we do hit top pair. More I've been playing more I have been questioning this logic. So def looking for advice here.

is 3BB pre your standard open raise SB vs BB?

Yeah. At the micros I'm going to be stealing a lot, and SB v BB I think 4BB's is too expensive a steal. The few good people will punish you by 3betting, and you 4x'ing is gonna narrow their range quite a bit. So they're going to be playing a strong(er) range, and with position when they flat (which really really sucks for us).

Vs this guy it wont matter a ton, but I'm still probably going to open a fair bit vs him, especially if he ends up having a reasonable/high fold to c-bet %, and I just think 4BB's is overkill.

Your previous post about the 1.5x thing after seeing the drag the bar vid...well, I don't think it applies quite the same here. This texture is completely different. I'm definitely mashing the pot button (or even a bit more) vs fish when I'm OOP with a strong value hand on say 987 two tone. but KJ6 isn't nearly as wet, and there isn't nearly as much to be called by or to worry about. I'd look for a different spot than this to implement overbetting, and I'd like to know just how bad/cally this guy is first. We don't know yet over 15 hands. We also block top and middle pair super hard obviously, so it's not the same as overbetting 66 on 679 or something.

I think Vant touched on the 4bbs BvB comment, I'll defer to his response as I agree with what he said. I'd go 3bb open almost all the time from any position.

As far as the 1.5x OTF, I guess I understand the basic logic behind it: we have the best hand here, make moniez. I just don't like it in this spot. Villain has a range that he's calling 4.5bbs with that he's just never calling this bet with (AT, QT, T9, 56, etc). We want to keep as many of his garbage hands in as possible because we are going to beat them a very large % of the time.

And as far as this play being a standard with your best flopped hands, I think it will cost you significantly more money in the long run than it will make you. I personally feel it is super imbalanced (how on earth are you going to balance it) and creates really awkward pot sizes on later streets.

Duly noted.

Yeah after thinking about it I would like to know what type of player it is before we make this kind of play. And after thinking about the dragthebar.com hand, im pretty sure he it was a 3bet pot and maybe the board was like JTs8 and he just shoved with like QQ. Pretty certain he had some history the guy was a fish.

I was trying to take his logic and apply it in a different spot. Half the reason I posted this hand was to get advice on that line, the other half the Ad .

Thanks!

Yeah, this is def not my standard line. And I was pretty vague in my description. I was thinking to myself even before reading this post, I would be folding out all his garbage hands he wants to float.

I'm not to worried about balancing versus this villain however because I doubt I'll ever see him again. But, versus a different villain I didn't even think about the effects it would have on balancing.

So I have some input on this, first off, raise whatever amount you think he will pay with worse hands preflop. If he will pay 20bb preflop with worse, then do it. These things are conditional, especially at the micros.

Other than that, I think you played this fine, you set up a nice river shove by overbetting the flop and adjusting the turn bet (i would bet less on flop and more on turn for the same effect, but whatever gets the job done right?). Everything gets there by the river and your flopped top two are worthless on a paired board with an A. You could block bet the river, but in this spot it is unlikely to work as villain probably made it.