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10-05-2015 , 01:15 PM
Maybe I should have played this hand more aggresive earlier, but I didnt expected that bad runout
Should we call this river? I suppose we shouldnt as we only beat our opponent if he's playing board. Beside that, are earlier calls ok, or should we raise somewhere?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $5.00 (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (BTN): $5.00
SB: $5.00 (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 17)
BB: $4.03 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
UTG: $5.70 (VPIP: 23.86, PFR: 21.59, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 91)
MP: $2.70 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 3 K

fold, MP calls $0.05, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, MP calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.47, 2 players) 8 J T
MP bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.91, 2 players) 6
MP bets $0.43, Hero calls $0.43

River: ($1.77, 2 players) 9
MP bets $0.85, Hero ?
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10-05-2015 , 01:19 PM
I m raising flop, but I dont think calling is terrible either. You never know if this fish is bluffing or not, but from my experience they rather call or reraise on flops than turns. As played I m not folding river.
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10-05-2015 , 01:25 PM
i'm re raising flop for sure - he could be drawing to a nut flush or any other flush for that matter. He's also betting half pot so pump it up.
I'm happy to get stacks in otf or turn vs this villian as he's shorter stacked and as far as i'm concerned it's a cooler if he's got the Ah. river puts a straight flush out there but whatevsies i would have gone hard at this on flop or turn and been pot committed by or before river.
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10-05-2015 , 04:48 PM
I don't think raising flop is good, because you get much more value of all his TP/overpairs hands that feel they should protecting against your flushdraws, than from the few sets and the 2-3 AhX combos he might have. Even if another heart rolls off we can at least bluffcatch one street.

Turn is thin, but probably a good bluffcatch.
River easy fold, so many straight flush combos in addition to the likelihood that he has the ace. Don't think he would bet turn and river for a pure bluff or with a lower flush.

Last edited by siebenacht; 10-05-2015 at 05:13 PM.
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10-05-2015 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dass

River: ($1.77, 2 players) 9
MP bets $0.85, Hero ?
considering folding as played is awful

try to gii otf imo
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10-05-2015 , 06:06 PM
Def raising flop. A random fishes leading range here is nearly identical to their b/c range. He just isn't folding anything. Not black 98s, not QTo, not Ah7x, nothing. So let's balloon this thing while we can. Snapping river vs half pot and this line, and expecting to win fairly often ime.
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10-05-2015 , 07:43 PM
as played i'd call river , i would raise otf too , fish wont fold even his tp on this board
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10-05-2015 , 11:28 PM
I would have raised otf and I'm flatting the river. Not folding for that price, ever.
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10-05-2015 , 11:47 PM
Raise flop. I think I'm calling river for that price. You see a lot of fish just bet two pair here just because it's two pair.
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10-06-2015 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by siebenacht
I don't think raising flop is good, because you get much more value of all his TP/overpairs hands that feel they should protecting against your flushdraws, than from the few sets and the 2-3 AhX combos he might have. Even if another heart rolls off we can at least bluffcatch one street.
Why do we get more value against TP/overpairs (the second of which he might well raise pre) by flatting flop? Given even fish get away cheaply on a fourth heart, that he's super likely to call with hands like pair+heart or naked Ah, I think it's far better to go for gold and put more money in on the flop. If he was potting it it might be closer to a call and shove turn, but he's doing that annoying >1/2 pot thing.

It's hard to flop a flush, and fish usually refuse to believe you can flop a hand that good.

River's close because A/Q/7 now beat us, but vs. these small triple donks I tend to just call down and find out what he's doing.
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10-06-2015 , 08:53 AM
Thanks guys, slowplaying flop wasn't a good idea and I paid for that, as he showed QhTx
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10-06-2015 , 09:09 AM
River is a pretty easy fold I think. You're hoping he doesnt have a heart at all since all of them beat you (the ones that dont just play the board).

No one's betting 2 pair or a set here because no one has 2 pair or a set. There's a flush on the board, that means both hero and villain have a flush. The only question is whether villain can fire triple barrels with air. How many times do you get triple barreled with air here? Pretty much never, right...
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10-06-2015 , 11:21 AM
Just raise donks, they allways want to draw cheap.
Dont raise a normal cbet but def a donk here all the time with more then top pair.
River 3 cards are better, 2 different str8flushes.
Nobody thoght about raising the river, it could be a blockbet from A heart, dont think he bluffs here with this size also it would be good, but 4str8flush board, nobody bluffs here half pot i fold, i think at nl5 you can fold lot of rivers esp to this valuesizes and on this board K is just not second best flush but 4. best.

Last edited by philkill; 10-06-2015 at 11:30 AM.
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10-06-2015 , 11:28 AM
Interesting that with Khigh flush the best "value hand" we beat is 5high flush.
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10-06-2015 , 04:08 PM
^ A 5-high flush is playing the board with JT986. We beat nothing that isn't playing the board.

Edit: So we technically have the second nut low (as well as the fourth nuts), since every worse hand ties for the nut low. That's kind of an amusing run-out (for the observer, not hero).

Last edited by SCF; 10-06-2015 at 04:20 PM.
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