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09-02-2015 , 09:35 PM

fernandes210

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Is that an easy fold ? vs unknown , no info.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37094978

Hero (BTN): $5.67 (113.4 bb)
SB: $18.03 (360.6 bb)
BB: $19.26 (385.2 bb)
UTG: $5 (100 bb)
MP: $5 (100 bb)
CO: $5.03 (100.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, SB folds, BB calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.26) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.14, BB calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.54) 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.54) A

(2 players)
BB bets $0.08, Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $1.99, Hero calls $0.99

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09-02-2015 , 10:39 PM

reschu

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Just call his small river bet. Not a lot of worse hands he will call on a river raise.

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09-02-2015 , 11:06 PM

Bobiscommon

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I think you played it fine. He could certainly be over playing a worse full house especially since the flush came in.

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09-03-2015 , 01:55 AM

BanZaY

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I think river is fine.

I would check back flop though.

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09-03-2015 , 04:59 AM

Labax

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I like how river is played here, a lot of people at NL5 see that they have a FH and cream themselves before looking at the other possible combinations!

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09-03-2015 , 08:25 AM

colly1910

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Never fold. You can discount QQ & KK from his range seeing as he didn't 3bet PF. And obviously quads are VERY unlikely

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09-03-2015 , 09:35 AM

philkill

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Why are quads unlikely, he can play any Ace against this 2.5 bb open.
I would just call river.
I dont think he tiny bet and min 3-bet with more then 5% non ace combos.
You could raise river small and fold to 3-bet i think, because if he dont have the ace you coul have it.
It would be a deep thinking bluff if he play like this without an ace because you didnt bet the turn and i dont think they make deep thinking bluffs, wouldnt be good either if you call.
Dont like the call, there are many combos of A, he could call with A6+, 28 Combos.

Only thing is if he thinks he has two sets here

Last edited by philkill; 09-03-2015 at 09:46 AM.

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09-03-2015 , 10:00 AM

strikershank

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Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,457

wp.

almost every PP will call you... Sure you lose to AX but that's so unlikely, as it KK/QQ given no 3bet pre. even weird backdoor flushes might justify a call.

raise river as played. overall i think you played the hand fine since you checked back turn (i would probably x flop and fire turn if BB checked again).

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09-03-2015 , 11:02 AM

grinder4all

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That river raise is a ridiculous size. Nearly 2x pot.

You're never good when he shoves.

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09-03-2015 , 12:05 PM

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Faluzure

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Confused why people think he can't easily have Ax here. Defend bb, obv c/c flop planning to c/c or c/r turn. Thinks it's unlikely you have anything after check behind and decides to go for a tiny hero from kq kj type hands.

I think raise may be okay but would definitely go smaller, and once he 3b I'm okay folding, especially a played when he 3b such a big raise.

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09-03-2015 , 12:49 PM

#11

strikershank

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i didn't say he can't have AX here. my message is don't fear monsters under the bed. If you're worried about quads every time the board pairs or runs 3 of a kind, you'll lose a ton of value in the long run when you have a bigger pp than villain or villain wants to nut bluff catch.

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09-03-2015 , 03:21 PM

#12

BanZaY

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I didnt tell at first look but river sizing is insanely big. What does this accomplish?

I dont know if you are winning enough here after villain raises your overbet.

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09-03-2015 , 04:33 PM

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bigreddog

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Originally Posted by Labax

I like how river is played here, a lot of people at NL5 see that they have a FH and cream themselves before looking at the other possible combinations!

You and OP seems to be the same.
Don't like his river play.

Ax is comfortably in play here.

If it was a KKKxx board... I would like OP's river play.
AAAxx means there is a higher chance of quads.
Yes quads are rare but the % of aces quads on AAA board is so much higher than other similar boards...

It is not being scared of monsters under the bed.
It is being aware of which monsters are more likely to pop up than others.

As played. I call the last bet.

Side note: Make a note that he makes a very small bet on river when he can't be beaten.

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09-03-2015 , 05:17 PM

#14

neok

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I'd def raise river, but make it much smaller. Think you can exploitatively fold vs any sort of 3bet OTR.

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09-03-2015 , 05:30 PM

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GutshotDan92

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Originally Posted by neok

I'd def raise river, but make it much smaller. Think you can exploitatively fold vs any sort of 3bet OTR.

This.

Whilst it is true, people call down with god awful FH's (at the micros), they dont tend to spew like crazy (would he really 3b OTR with TT, 99? Not likely, but he will call your smaller raise).

Losts and lots of Ax combos in villains range. And dont discount the occasional QQ, KK either - should be rather rare, but this is the micros!

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09-03-2015 , 05:37 PM

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fernandes210

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the call on his 3bet is not good , but like vs that size , the big raise he wouldn't call me with any TT , 99 , 8x and sometimes 7x and 5x ?

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09-04-2015 , 07:10 AM

#17

Labax

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He does have a lot of Ax here but I feel it's a close spot given odds.

I'm probably still sigh calling

Not that it matters but I'm pretty interested to see what villain has here (probably Ax)

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09-04-2015 , 07:18 AM

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strikershank

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Originally Posted by fernandes210

the call on his 3bet is not good , but like vs that size , the big raise he wouldn't call me with any TT , 99 , 8x and sometimes 7x and 5x ?

Yea. Less so with 5x but yes. I assume you mean 88 and not 8x.

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09-04-2015 , 02:52 PM

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Mr Shakopee

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I don't care for the flop bet. Few worse hands are continuing and will probably play the same as his Ax hands. River raise is way too big. Now you have to call and punch yourself in the face repeatedly because his flop line definitely reps an ace way more than a 5, 7, or runner runner flush. So now you call, pray that he has 99 and is soooooo terrible that he reraises it, and scream when he shows something silly like A3o.

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09-04-2015 , 07:56 PM

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GutshotDan92

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Originally Posted by Labax

He does have a lot of Ax here but I feel it's a close spot given odds.

I'm probably still sigh calling

Not that it matters but I'm pretty interested to see what villain has here (probably Ax)

Click the "replay" tab on the hand history - even though OP deleted the results, you can still have a look.

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09-04-2015 , 09:45 PM

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Mr Shakopee

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And now that we can actually see the hand, again the line turns out to be consistent with a weak ace. Any ace really, but A5... not even slightly surprised. OP, you will do better next time. Alot of guys would just be like "oh, what a cooler. wah wah, etc." You asked for advice instead of posting in BBV, so I think you know this can be played better and you don't have to lose nearly as much here. Just remember next time you bet this type of flop to ask yourself what you expect to get value from. If the villain is a classic station betting is fine, but every day there seems to be less and less of those.

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