PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
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MP+1: 275 BB (VPIP: 50.70, PFR: 19.01, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 144)
CO: 250 BB (VPIP: 22.05, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 7.04, Hands: 200)
Hero (BTN): 338 BB
SB: 119.6 BB (VPIP: 8.51, PFR: 5.13, 3Bet Preflop: 1.10, Hands: 235)
BB: 51.4 BB (VPIP: 15.96, PFR: 12.06, 3Bet Preflop: 5.32, Hands: 285)
UTG: 135.8 BB (VPIP: 16.42, PFR: 7.96, 3Bet Preflop: 1.39, Hands: 201)
UTG+1: 182.8 BB (VPIP: 10.37, PFR: 6.06, 3Bet Preflop: 4.57, Hands: 634)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 103)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ts Ad

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 5.6 BB

Flop: (17.4 BB, 2 players) Qs Qd 8d
CO checks, Hero bets 11 BB, CO calls 11 BB

Turn: (39.4 BB, 2 players) 2d
CO checks, Hero bets 24 BB, CO raises to 58 BB, Hero calls 34 BB

River: (155.4 BB, 2 players) 6d
CO bets 112 BB, Hero ????

Okay so we are both v.deep and i know this guy knows about position and i think im ahead of his range in a co open so i 3bet button. A few reasons i did this because one i think hes a bit of a station and two because like i said i think im ahead of his range here and want to make the pot bigger.

flop i just cbet on a dry board looking to take it down

i bet turn because i wanted to build a pot for when i hit my flush and he has queens. im aware in hindsight that maybe hes not calling a river bet with queens when a 4flush is on the board.

Let's do a thought experiment. Rank the following hands for 3betting from the button vs a CO open when you're this deep:

86s, ATo, A3s



Just because ATo is probably ahead of his opening range, 3betting this deep with a one-pair trap hand puts yourself in tons of terrible reverse-implied odds situations. The best that can happen with ATo is to make a straight. More often you'll make lots of one pair hands where you aren't sure if you're good and it'll cost you 100-200bb to find out.

Given that you 3bet this spot, firing the flop is fine, and firing the turn is *okay*, I might check back turn and see if you can show down.

When he check/raises the turn, it's time to give up, even with the nut diamond. You're drawing to a flush on a paired board, you could be dead already.

In hindsight the 3bet with ATo is pretty loose.

The only reasoning i can come up with is that i was trying to be aggressive towards a regular that i've seen in the past spew (beyond the 200 hands i've tracked him) so i wanted to keep putting him under pressure being on his left.

Explain why you like it

There's only 2 hands he could have that beat you surely? 88 and 22? Seems like a call. I'm assuming he folds Q8 pre most the time obv and I think 22 is a pretty slim possibility so 88 is the only hand.

I can't imagine folding when we hit what we were drawing for.

I just don't like the line at all, when our read on villian is "a bit of a calling station," and we're calling check raises and nearly pot sized bets on a 4 flush board.

I completely agree. It would be criminal to call the turn if your plan in any way involved folding OTR when you got there. With that said, and as played, fold OTT to the check raise. There's no way you can have the ~30% you need against his range, the RIO are pretty bad, and for the IO, how often is hero getting paid off with the nut flush on a four flush board? Almost never IMO.

I'd much rather call pre and make villains life miserable postflop with position and stack depth. I think about the only time I'd 3bet a hand like this is if the situation is right (good squeeze spot for example).

If we're cbetting this flop texture with these stack sizes, it should be smaller.

As played to turn, I guess we can double the turned equity, but it also should be smaller. I'm prob not folding to that raise size although I want to, but I'm punishing myself now for the 3bet. We can also consider checking back turn, which is prob best.

As played to river, not folding. If villain has quads or flopped 8s full, welp, then I'm getting owned for 179bb. I'm also calling to again punish myself for a somewhat questionable 3bet pre.

Any reads on how the villain reacts to 3bets? Is he calling wide enough so we can 3bet for value? I hate the thought of turning such a good hand in to a bluff but there could be reasons to justify a 3bet in this spot.

Well, since he is opening a lot (from CO probably) = stealing, we can call. If we 3bet him, he will fold majority of the time (we will lose our value) his rags and call/4bet with the top of his range. The fact he will cbet most flops is a good thing for us.