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11-09-2011 , 03:38 AM

Levix

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13 hands on villain, 72/18

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10998162

UTG: $13.07 (326.8 bb)
Hero (MP): $5 (125 bb)
CO: $10.96 (274 bb)
BTN: $5.97 (149.3 bb)
SB: $1.70 (42.5 bb)
BB: $5.44 (136 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

Flop: ($0.35) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero ...?

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This one of the situations where I'm totally lost.
I guess, that we beat his range, but If we bet, would it be for value? What we will get it from? No idea. I don't think he will often call with lower PP's.

Should we bet just to make him fold his share in the pot? But Baluga in his book said that we must never bet only for this purpose. I'm not saying that this has become a dogma for me, but everytime it just appears in my head and I'm completely lost of what should I do in these spots.

What if we bet OTF, he calls and then high card comes OTT?

Would love to see some discussion.

Last edited by Levix; 11-09-2011 at 03:43 AM.

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11-09-2011 , 04:49 AM

barondan

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You're betting for value and the collection of dead money(Baluga's 3rd reason for betting)

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11-09-2011 , 04:58 AM

Levix

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Originally Posted by barondan

You're betting for value and the collection of dead money(Baluga's 3rd reason for betting)

What do we get value from in this hand?

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11-09-2011 , 05:19 AM

barondan

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I should say that you're probably not getting him to put much more in without having you beat(unless you know he calls cbets a ton), but your value betting because you're beating his range and expecting him to fold. Really you're betting to collect the dead money.

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11-09-2011 , 05:45 AM

Palikari

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Bet for value. Villains range is very wide. And these type of villains will often continue with Ax, 22-88, gutshots etc.

Bet to collect dead money: he can have a lot of hands that he can not continue with (34s, 65o etc.).

If he calls you'll be ip on the turn. So when villain suddenly becomes active you can still easily get away from your hand.

Don't check back the flop. It shows weakness. And you give villain a free card to hit (A, Q, J, T etc.)

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11-09-2011 , 05:52 AM

Levix

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Originally Posted by Palikari

What if we bet OTF, he calls and then high card (A/K/Q/J) comes OTT?

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11-09-2011 , 06:48 AM

Palikari

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Originally Posted by Levix

What if we bet OTF, he calls and then high card (A/K/Q/J) comes OTT?

I villain checks I would b/f turn ~1/2 pot. If he calls my turn bet I would check back river or fold if he donks into me. If villain is very fishy he can still have a lot of hands in his range.

You can also check back for pot control and evaluate river. Usually I would call a small river bet then.

If villain donks into me on the turn I would just fold.

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11-09-2011 , 08:13 AM

Levix

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Thanks =)

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11-09-2011 , 08:39 AM

chad0x001

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Originally Posted by Levix

13 hands on villain, 72/18

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

Flop: ($0.35) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero ...?

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This one of the situations where I'm totally lost.
I guess, that we beat his range, but If we bet, would it be for value? What we will get it from? No idea. I don't think he will often call with lower PP's.

Bet for value, lots of worse hands call, and bet a decent size to, like 30c. Single high card boards and paired boards are great to cbet, it is unlikely he has the 9 or even a K.

Should we bet just to make him fold his share in the pot? But Baluga in his book said that we must never bet only for this purpose. I'm not saying that this has become a dogma for me, but everytime it just appears in my head and I'm completely lost of what should I do in these spots.

What if we bet OTF, he calls and then high card comes OTT?

which high card?

Would love to see some discussion.

Im interested in these positions as well, they come up often.

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11-09-2011 , 09:20 AM

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PlayLikeRussian

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Bet because you make money when he folds his air and a lot of the hands he folds still have decent equity against you eg. any 2 overs. So yeah basically collect dead money

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11-09-2011 , 01:00 PM

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RussianGuy

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You must bet. Flop is avery dry. So when you check it looks very weakly.
Tern card such (A,Q,J,T) - so he can do bet and you only have a 4-rd pair.You must fold, but he can do bet with any hands because you check on flop it looks weakly, thus you lost money.

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