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[nl400] Villain c/r flop as PFR [nl400] Villain c/r flop as PFR

02-06-2011 , 11:41 PM
Villain c/r flop range is completely unknown.
What best flop play is?

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($400)
UTG+1 ($436.50)
Hero ($919.05)
BTN ($139.95)
SB ($975.75)
BB ($406.20)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 6 players) Hero is CO 2 2
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $12, Hero calls $12, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds

Flop: J 4 2 ($30, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $20, UTG+1 raises to $60, Hero
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02-07-2011 , 01:05 AM
small 3-bet imo, like $115 to make it look like you're just playing back at his weird line.
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02-07-2011 , 01:34 AM
You are crushing his range. To Villain, seems like a very good flop for him. I'd just call 100bb deep. Obv betting turn if checked to.

Not sure I like 3 bet in this spot. Just think he folds too much, even to min 3 bet.
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02-07-2011 , 01:38 AM
I think I prefer a call as well. It seems like that's how we'd proceed w/ the majority of our range in this spot(Jx/flushdraws/floats, etc). Though, if villain has a general tendency to spew vs click it backs, then I would definitely make it 115.
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02-07-2011 , 02:20 AM
think call is good, but i don't like 3b to $115. b3b slightly bigger if im doing that
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02-07-2011 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by OTL
think call is good, but i don't like 3b to $115. b3b slightly bigger if im doing that
Like the min... $120.
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02-07-2011 , 02:50 AM
haha no not the miin, enough to give a psb for turn jam
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02-07-2011 , 03:26 AM
fwiw min is 100. I would flat here though, cause of what castles said - I'm calling a lot here.
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02-07-2011 , 01:02 PM
dont 3bet obv
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02-07-2011 , 01:48 PM
Unless you have some read that he likes to merge his flop c/rs with like JT or w/e, just call, 3betting is clearly worse imo.
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02-07-2011 , 02:24 PM
to the click it back camp..what range do you do this with?

I only ever see this from an inline abc guy with the effective nuts.
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02-07-2011 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nikinblinds
to the click it back camp..what range do you do this with?

I only ever see this from an inline abc guy with the effective nuts.
I am in that camp, but not in this spot. Worse? Only diamonds. Which Villain should fold if he has AJ, QQ. But in my experience he wont fold, villain will call not realizing it's -EV. So those click it back campers got a point there, LOL.

But taking a stand here saying "I have strong diamond draw, set, or overpair" makes a lot of hands fold out.... all bluffs, 8's-10's. weak jacks.... that we can get value on turn.

Last edited by Freak999; 02-07-2011 at 04:31 PM.
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02-07-2011 , 04:23 PM
Yeah, I agree that a small 3-bet here isn't really repping air playing back that much at all.... it's mostly repping strength and I see it too in spots like nikinblinds described
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02-07-2011 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Penguinz21
fwiw min is 100. I would flat here though, cause of what castles said - I'm calling a lot here.
You must raise as much as the last person bet. Since he bet $60, have to raise to at least $120.....

I don't ever remember poker stars ever allowing me to bet less, not that I'd ever bet less.
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02-08-2011 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Freak999
You must raise as much as the last person bet. Since he bet $60, have to raise to at least $120.....

I don't ever remember poker stars ever allowing me to bet less, not that I'd ever bet less.
Not tryin to start a fight, but you only have to raise the amount that the last person raised. That is, he added $40 to your bet of $20, so a raise only needs to add another $40.
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02-08-2011 , 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguinz21
Not tryin to start a fight, but you only have to raise the amount that the last person raised. That is, he added $40 to your bet of $20, so a raise only needs to add another $40.
No, prob. I am sure you are right. Somewhere along the lines I forgot, probably because of slider aliases.... and very very rarely someone raises that small live.
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