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09-24-2009 , 04:50 PM

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F_Ivanovic

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I like donking the flop a lot here. Raising the flop for value vs a nit (even with a really bluffy image) is still bad bcs chances are he's pot controlling a lot of hands on the flop - not wanting to get c/red - meaning his leading range consists of strong- v.strong hands, some FDs and some bluffs and CRing AQ against that range is obv terrible.

As played shoving as a bluff is insane. Just c/f..

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09-24-2009 , 04:51 PM

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IGot5OnIt

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dont like the flop c/r, i c/f river as played.

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09-24-2009 , 05:33 PM

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ATOTHEC101

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By 2 hands I meant aa/kk, not combinations of hands, but yeah I didn't word my response especially well.

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09-25-2009 , 03:40 AM

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R U serious?

I'm 19/15 and certainly raise all those hands UTG.

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09-25-2009 , 05:17 AM

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JasonP530

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Not sure I get the halfpot bet on the turn combined with the flop checkraise. Seems like you can get to that point for cheaper by c/c two streets. I would be checking that river with the intention of folding to a bet.

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09-25-2009 , 05:26 AM

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zedisol

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i'd c/call here

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09-25-2009 , 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Melchiades

I'm 19/15 and certainly raise all those hands UTG.

how can people play so tight overall but so laggy UTG. do you play the same vpip from every position.

i'm 25/20 ish and fold KQo and AJo UTG

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09-25-2009 , 12:54 PM

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David1234

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if he was a better player i wouldnt even mind folding pre, even though it feels soooo nitty. Off-suit it would feel a little less nitty. As for postflop, I think your just playing your hand too strong in this situation.

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09-25-2009 , 01:21 PM

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ITSOVER9000

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Originally Posted by Megenoita

Every 18/14 raises QJs, KQo, even QTs UTG; I know, because I've played 10's of thousands of hands as a 17/13.

lol i play 24/19 and fold KQo and often QTs UTG.

i hate the c/r(he has relatively few spade hands and not many worse Qs if he has half a brain) and would c/f river and think anything else is pretty damn awful.

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09-25-2009 , 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Melchiades

I'm 19/15 and certainly raise all those hands UTG.

jesus and what's your winrate with those?

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09-28-2009 , 03:38 AM

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jesus and what's your winrate with those?

No idea. I think I open about 11-12% of my hands UTG last time I checked.

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09-28-2009 , 09:03 AM

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Ramdon

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Originally Posted by sh58

how can people play so tight overall but so laggy UTG. do you play the same vpip from every position.

i'm 25/20 ish and fold KQo and AJo UTG

You could be playing in different games.

Against a stronger field and more aggro games, AJo/KQo become alot more meh in EP. Against more fish and passive games, it would be criminal to not open AJo/KQo UTG, and I'm assuming QJs would also be fine if you didn't overplay it.

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09-28-2009 , 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramdon

good point

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09-28-2009 , 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Melchiades

No idea. I think I open about 11-12% of my hands UTG last time I checked.

22+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo are 11%. So i don't how can you open QTs everytime but have 11-12% pfr from utg, because if you open QTs, you should also open KJs,ATs,KTs,QJs... you're quickly at 15%

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09-28-2009 , 02:30 PM

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Ramdon

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wtf r u talking about 15%

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09-28-2009 , 02:46 PM

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22+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo

12.2%

Guess I sometimes fold KQo. My numbers from MP is pretty identical though. I raise 25% from BTN which is too tight.

Whether or not I should do something wioth my hand selection wasn't really the point though. Point was that us nits do have some suited broadway stuff in our UTG range.

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09-28-2009 , 05:18 PM

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Whether or not I should do something wioth my hand selection wasn't really the point though. Point was that us nits do have some suited broadway stuff in our UTG range.

Do you nits normally call down three streets with TPGK though? :P Well, too player/situation dependant I guess, but I just don't see most nitty micnits doing this.

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