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nl400, slight overpair against the infamous tenking (1.5BI) nl400, slight overpair against the infamous tenking (1.5BI)

07-13-2008 , 03:41 AM
Shockingly, he hasn't been that out of line. He's minraised in spots here and there, I'm not sure what they mean since they've happened so few and far between I just folded and moved on. Not sure what the best play here is... keep in mind he's defending with nearly ATC.

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
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SB: $1,107.85
Hero (BB): $632

Pre-Flop: T T dealt to Hero (BB)
SB raises to $12, Hero raises to $42, SB calls $30

Flop: ($84) 7 3 3 (2 Players)
Hero bets $65, SB raises to $130,
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07-13-2008 , 03:53 AM
RR go i think. although the creative/risky line i dont mind is calling then check shoving turn. Dont think your deep enough to be not going for stacks vs a guy with a history like u insinuate he has.
Why is he infamous btw?
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07-13-2008 , 03:56 AM
For those that don't know, he's been spewing on FTP for a solid year now. He loves to overbet shove... he does really crazy things at times. At this point in the match he had calmed down A LOT.

Just for the sake of example, this is what started his stack that he has now in my TT hand:

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
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SB: $450
Hero (BB): $1,211.20

Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (BB)
SB raises to $12, Hero raises to $38, SB calls $26

Flop: ($76) T 6 3 (2 Players)
Hero bets $76, SB raises to $412 and is All-In, Hero calls $336

Turn: ($900) 4 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($900) 9 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $900 Pot ($0.50 Rake)
SB showed 9 3 (two pair, Nines and Threes) and WON $899.50 (+$449.50 NET)
Hero showed Q Q (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$450 NET)



A few hands later he has quads vs a boat that there is no way I can fold vs him and he was up to $1300 or so (almost all his money). A lot of time has passed on he's played (and is playing) very solid.
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07-13-2008 , 04:39 AM
i like a small 3bet. you're not really repping much aside from an overpair, and given that he is a lagtard and that you 3bet pretty light (in your vids) he will probably think you're screwing around and do somthing dumb like jam a 7 or ace high. calling essentially gives him 2 free cards b/c your not gunna lead the turn and he can check back and try to hit his 6 outer or gutshot.
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07-13-2008 , 05:05 AM
You have 3bet here. A flatcall looks just as strong, if not stronger than a 3bet and I don't think he is going to continue with his bluffs all that often. 3betting also doesn't give free cards which is quite important because he almost always has at least one overcard to your tens. Some info on his 4betting range would be nice though.

Also I'd make the pf 3bet bigger. You are slightly deep and he is defending light anyways.
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07-13-2008 , 06:29 AM
CiB, well Cib might be too obvious so make it like 290 it looks weaker than calling imo and he will stick it in with ace high here like always
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07-13-2008 , 07:45 AM
this is weird. Usually he min-4bets QQ+, but he also min raises flops incredibly strong.
I guess he has some **** like T3o here , but its conceivable he is making a total bluff.

His range is pretty polarized here I would say, complete nuts (3x) or air.
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07-13-2008 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by czGLoRy
this is weird. Usually he min-4bets QQ+, but he also min raises flops incredibly strong.
I guess he has some **** like T3o here , but its conceivable he is making a total bluff.

His range is pretty polarized here I would say, complete nuts (3x) or air.
Given your read of AIr of nuts, how would you play it??? Are you trying to get it all in or are you letting him try to get it in...If you raise he calls witha 3 and folds all else. If you check he bets bluffs and his 3's?
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07-13-2008 , 11:12 AM
valueshove imho
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07-13-2008 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by czGLoRy
this is weird. Usually he min-4bets QQ+, but he also min raises flops incredibly strong.
I guess he has some **** like T3o here , but its conceivable he is making a total bluff.

His range is pretty polarized here I would say, complete nuts (3x) or air.
I'd say that this read is pretty accurate, especially that he's really settled down since he's acquired a stack. I do think he's stacking off with A7, 88-99, any 3 obviously, and he could be doing it as a bluff.

Given that you know tenking, I'd really like to know how you proceed here.
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07-13-2008 , 01:06 PM
I really dont think Ive seen TK bluff minraise in these spots that much that Id want to 3b and hope he 4b bluff shoves here. Im definitely calling cuz I think its a pretty reasonable spot to navigate on the turn and I think Im getting a ton more info based on his action/sizing.
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07-13-2008 , 03:25 PM
lol tenking, get it in for sure. If he has you best its a cooler and doesn't matter anyway coz u will win it back within 10 mins if he doesn't quit you.
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07-13-2008 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterLJ
I'd say that this read is pretty accurate, especially that he's really settled down since he's acquired a stack. I do think he's stacking off with A7, 88-99, any 3 obviously, and he could be doing it as a bluff.

Given that you know tenking, I'd really like to know how you proceed here.
I have probably played more hands with tenking than anyone else (remember that video I posted here a long time ago?.. lol), but Im not that great of a player. I really don't know what I would do here to continue. This is an interesting spot, I don't know what to do here in GENERAL, when you know your opponent has nuts or nothing, and are not positive about whether he would 2nd barrel bluff.

If you shove, your getting snap called by any 3, and getting him to fold anything else. I would think he is more likely to make this raise as a value-raise than a bluff, but still think his range is polarized. If I was actually playing, I would probably fold here and "wait for a better spot", as he does hit and run often.
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07-13-2008 , 06:37 PM
This must be a truly special guy to consider folding.
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07-13-2008 , 09:40 PM
i think i would call and check shove over his inevitable pot bet on the turn. the small amount i played with tenking, i dont think he would minraise an overcard hand like QJ or KT or whatever probably just float and hope to hit his pair instead. this is probably an absolute bluff with 0 equity where you are crushing him and shouldnt be afraid of any turn cards to check shove or he has 3x and its cooler time.
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07-13-2008 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by emKay
This must be a truly special guy to consider folding.
I dont think folding is really an option here either...My question is do you RR here and let him get away cheaply or should you call and the rr his lead on the turn?...

Raising his min would allow him to fold his junk and get out early but it work towards preventing these raises on future hands? You are either way ahead or way behind. Also if you decide to raise how much?

But flat calling and then raising his turn lead ( I think OP has position) would get more money in the pot when you are way ahead?

What is the best option?
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07-13-2008 , 11:57 PM
lol, vs TK, tank-call, check-call shove on turn, lock it up
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07-14-2008 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterLJ
I'd say that this read is pretty accurate, especially that he's really settled down since he's acquired a stack. I do think he's stacking off with A7, 88-99, any 3 obviously, and he could be doing it as a bluff.
Your own post seems to have the most obviously answers imo...

If you feel on a 10/J/Q/K turn he's still bet/calling you can flat the flop and get more value from his bluffs (if you think he'll continue to bet air).

If he's never/rarely continuing with his air hands or is likely to be pushed off A7/88/99 on scary turns, I would say a 3bet is mandatory.

Folding certainly isn't an option since you seem confident that is his range and he is stacking off with it.
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07-14-2008 , 01:58 AM
I am not sure he double barrel bluffs ever, he typically just SHOVES as soon as he decides to bluff. Also, these min raises have been the nuts every time I have ever seen them. AND he leaves when you double up.

I don't think folding is bad, unless someone has seen him do this as a bluff. (If he was bluffing, he would just shove imo). He also just jams 2nd pair type hands.

Dealt to Awful Fish [ Jh 9c ]
wackee folds
Transkilla folds
sirstackems folds
Awful Fish raises [$14.00]
tenking calls [$12.00]
springmaster folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 4d, 6h ]
tenking bets [$123.90]
Awful Fish calls [$123.90]
tenking shows [Kd 4h ]
Awful Fish shows [Jh 9c ]

~~~

Dealt to Awful Fish [ Kh Jc ]
no72i folds
igotowned folds
Awful Fish raises [$14.00]
tenking calls [$12.00]
QuarterTon folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 7h, 7s ]
tenking checks
Awful Fish bets [$22.00]
tenking calls [$22.00]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
tenking checks
Awful Fish bets [$45.00]
tenking raises [$144.00]
Awful Fish folds
tenking wins $99.00
tenking wins $163.00 from main pot

He takes lines like this with flopped monsters IMO. Usually he doesn't raise quite that big, but its similar.

I was looking for a few hands like this that went to showdown, but he had the nuts like every time.

Last edited by czGLoRy; 07-14-2008 at 02:07 AM.
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07-14-2008 , 02:52 AM
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Awful Fish bets [$22.00]
God my game selection sucks ass.

Somehow I end up playing HU forum regulars on a regular basis, not having any clue that they are, in fact, HU forum regs.

:/
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07-14-2008 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TNixon
God my game selection sucks ass.

Somehow I end up playing HU forum regulars on a regular basis, not having any clue that they are, in fact, HU forum regs.

:/
get a reg thread started
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07-14-2008 , 11:01 AM
cib -> get it in!
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