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NL400: Should I fold top 2 here? NL400: Should I fold top 2 here?

09-19-2009 , 07:18 AM
Villain is a 18/16 reg. From what I have seen not very creative. I really wan't to fold this river. Comments on all streest appreciated.

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($453)
UTG+1 ($1,671.40)
CO ($677.70)
BTN ($1,801.94)
SB ($129.17)
Hero ($400)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 6 players) Hero is BB K A
UTG raises to $12, 4 folds, Hero calls $8

Flop: K A 5 ($26, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $20, Hero calls $20

Turn: Q ($66, 2 players)
Hero bets $50, UTG calls $50

River: 3 ($166, 2 players)
Hero bets $130, UTG goes all-in $371, Hero ???
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09-19-2009 , 07:51 AM
why did you donk the turn?

probably wouldnt fold
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09-19-2009 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
why did you donk the turn?
Good question.

My reasoning behind playing the hand the way I did is:
Flop: I am fairly sure Villain will bet his entire range on this flop, so I check to him to get value from hands that can't stand a flopdonk. I only call the flopbet to be able to get three streets of value from worse hands (I think he gets away from AQ/AJ cheaper if I check-raise the flop).
Turn: I donk the turn to keep him from checking behind AQ/AJ. I don't think he will fold these hands to a donkbet. This type of bet might be hard to balance though...?
River: I think it is an obvious valuebet. I probably get called by AQ/AJ/KQ = 8+8+6=22 combos. Hands that beat me are AA/KK/QQ/(JTs) = 1+1+3+4=9 combos. I am not sure if he would open JTs utg though.
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09-19-2009 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Potte
Good question.

My reasoning behind playing the hand the way I did is:
Flop: I am fairly sure Villain will bet his entire range on this flop, so I check to him to get value from hands that can't stand a flopdonk. I only call the flopbet to be able to get three streets of value from worse hands (I think he gets away from AQ/AJ cheaper if I check-raise the flop).
Turn: I donk the turn to keep him from checking behind AQ/AJ. I don't think he will fold these hands to a donkbet. This type of bet might be hard to balance though...?
River: I think it is an obvious valuebet. I probably get called by AQ/AJ/KQ = 8+8+6=22 combos. Hands that beat me are AA/KK/QQ/(JTs) = 1+1+3+4=9 combos. I am not sure if he would open JTs utg though.
why would he checkbehind those hands? he can get value from worse hands.. he also could fire another barrel as a bluff.. i think the donk is bad. just check turn again.. as played im not folding since your line looks weird
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09-19-2009 , 09:17 AM
hand is under repped. call.
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09-20-2009 , 11:31 AM
your hand looks like total garbage
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09-20-2009 , 12:12 PM
Yea sure. Everyone c/c cbet w/ undercards to donk turn and river as a bluff.
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09-20-2009 , 12:55 PM
why didnt you 3bet pre?
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09-20-2009 , 01:52 PM
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(I think he gets away from AQ/AJ cheaper if I check-raise the flop).
But if you had say 33 there you would just fold flop because : "There are so many aces in his range and I can't rep anything".
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09-20-2009 , 01:56 PM
actually nobody ever c/calls a cbet and donks 2 streets on this board
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09-20-2009 , 06:20 PM
what punter said
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09-20-2009 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
But if you had say 33 there you would just fold flop because : "There are so many aces in his range and I can't rep anything".
haha awesome
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09-21-2009 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lnternet
your hand looks like total garbage
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Originally Posted by lnternet
actually nobody ever c/calls a cbet and donks 2 streets on this board
Makes sense
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09-21-2009 , 05:39 PM
if I flatted this I'd c/r the flop because it's look bluffy as hell and he'll never fold Ax and might even float with weaker hands.
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09-21-2009 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by shpanko
if I flatted this I'd c/r the flop because it's look bluffy as hell and he'll never fold Ax and might even float with weaker hands.
100% agree
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09-21-2009 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Potte
Good question.

My reasoning behind playing the hand the way I did is:
Flop: I am fairly sure Villain will bet his entire range on this flop, so I check to him to get value from hands that can't stand a flopdonk. I only call the flopbet to be able to get three streets of value from worse hands (I think he gets away from AQ/AJ cheaper if I check-raise the flop).
Turn: I donk the turn to keep him from checking behind AQ/AJ. I don't think he will fold these hands to a donkbet. This type of bet might be hard to balance though...?
River: I think it is an obvious valuebet. I probably get called by AQ/AJ/KQ = 8+8+6=22 combos. Hands that beat me are AA/KK/QQ/(JTs) = 1+1+3+4=9 combos. I am not sure if he would open JTs utg though.

No way vilian is folding AQ, AJ on this flop, just CR ship the flop imo.
As played you really are unrepping your hand so I would call.
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09-21-2009 , 07:31 PM
preflop is ok, but you have to ch-raise flop.
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09-22-2009 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
But if you had say 33 there you would just fold flop because : "There are so many aces in his range and I can't rep anything".
Not sure what you are trying to say. This is a good spot to Ch/raise bluff 33 because he will fold a huge part of his range if I keep firing?
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09-22-2009 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DrazzicEhv
No way vilian is folding AQ, AJ on this flop, just CR ship the flop imo.
As played you really are unrepping your hand so I would call.
Maybe not on the flop, but I think this villain would be folding the turn if I fire again.
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09-22-2009 , 05:18 AM
this is what you get by not 3-betting AK OOP. Flop is the next mistake - you hit big and don't build a pot. Raise to 60$ and 3/4 Pot Turn / shove River
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09-22-2009 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by herbstl
this is what you get by not 3-betting AK OOP. Flop is the next mistake - you hit big and don't build a pot. Raise to 60$ and 3/4 Pot Turn / shove River
Sure, not 3-betting AK vs this 18/16 grinder who opens utg must be a HUGE mistake!!!
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09-22-2009 , 05:48 AM
The line you took might have confused him and made him play more honestly, with a turn donk and then lead on the river, the river would be a spot where you could actually decide to fold.

Imo he wont raise a hand there that you beat so a fold seems good although that's tougher to do in the heat of the battle.
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09-22-2009 , 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by pFEy
Makes sense
its looks like he missed the action and thought he was pfr, or like he turned a draw, but he would never play a strong hand like this unless he misplays it. and naturally with strong hands people are more into the hand and less likely to misplay.
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09-22-2009 , 11:37 AM
what do you think villain has, if u consider folding?
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09-22-2009 , 07:39 PM
i love when OPs post extremely butchered hands looking for self serving reassurances and flip out when someone criticizes their obvious awful play(s).
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