Played this hand on my brother's laptop so no stats, don't recognise villain's name as a reg but he seems to be playing in a non-******ed way thus far. We haven't tangled in any meaningful way.


Full Tilt Poker $400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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CO: $618.50
BTN: $592.20
Hero (SB): $698.00
BB: $415.30

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with J J
1 fold, BTN raises to $14, Hero raises to $44, 1 fold, BTN calls $30

Flop: ($92.00) 7 6 K (2 players)
Hero bets $52.00, BTN raises to $104, Hero?

Thoughts on my flop bet? I considered c/c but thought that would bring its own problems like turning my hand a bit face up, having no fold equity and plenty of stack depth to get barrelled off if villain doesn't want to check it down. I decided to go ahead and bet (sizing ok? I'd probably bet a similar amount with air/a real hand fwiw) and get this annoying minraise. Do we have to just fold here without any reads? If not, any ideas for a plan for later streets? All feedback appreciated

If its a reg I shove, if not i fold.

But you have to have a plan here when u bet with Jacks on K dry board.

But most likely its a shove because your oponnent doesnt think you are going to play back at him so i dont think he value all that much in that spot.

I'd call, shoving looks pretty bad

I think calling or folding are both okay. I suppose shoving balances out the times you want to shove with air? or if you're sure he's rarely doing this with a real hand and just want to protect your equity in the pot or get called by 89 and 54?

Shoving is obv terrible, calling and folding are both ok.

Check flop, as played you have to call atleast one.

I'd call once, otherwise we're pretty exploitable. I don't like shoving, given how polarised his range is and how little equity we have v his calling range.

c/c is fine too - you just need to make sure you have hands in your c/c range that you can call down 3 streets with.

Seeing as this is pretty much the perfect flop for a pf 3-bettor to cbet his entire range, I think you have to call the flop minraise. I think he'll have air here a LOT if he's a reg and I can't see him raising a K or set on this ultra dry flop, which makes the flop raise suspect to further investigation.

my thoughts as well

Looks like a CIB to me.

no

So shoving is bad?? That's my initial thoughts too. but I could see situations where it could be good too.

And fold to a shove?
I mean even 45 (his theoretical worst non air hand) will mostly flat the cib and not shove and I don't think he has enough air to make cib better than flatting (or folding) with JJ

He has polarized his range to air or a monster all valid points above just my initial reaction(cib)
in this spot.
If we flat we are still looking at c/c turn river.The min is normally the sign of a monster .Or villian might just expect the c-bet and m/r to hope for the fold with air.
No stats reads ect..tricky spot calling and folding are fine. though.

call/ go from there. plz dont overbet shove the flop, wow...

I don't see why we would do anything but call here.

Call, and shoving w/ any hand in ur range is just lolbad.

-Mike

ugh so villain dependant, prolly save myself the headache too often but i think its just a fold. problem is villains generally know when they raise this board texture they look fos and expect 1 call, therefore the competenet ones wont be giving up on turns/rivers.

Hitman4hires line is spewy but i think i prefer that to call once fold turn. and shove is obv horrendous without the craziest dynamic in the world.

thanks for the replies, I didn't really like any of my options much at all (maybe shoving has some merit 100bbs deep but sticking in another $450ish and hoping for the best seems really spewy here) and ended up deciding to call and see a turn:

Full Tilt Poker $400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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CO: $618.50
BTN: $592.20
Hero (SB): $698.00
BB: $415.30

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with J J
1 fold, BTN raises to $14, Hero raises to $44, 1 fold, BTN calls $30

Flop: ($92.00) 7 6 K (2 players)
Hero bets $52.00, BTN raises to $104, Hero calls $52

Turn: ($300.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($300.00) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $228.00, Hero?

Now the question is do I want to be a hero??

sigh, tough spot of the highest order. probably, yes.