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02-11-2009 , 08:40 AM

Kurukuku2

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 125

Villain is the perfect south european LAP-with-bad-time-aggression fish , 39/4/1.1 over 236 hands.
The kind of dude that calls your cbet with any part of the flop then clicks bet pot button when you check turn to him (remember that from 25NL etc?).

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,199)
BB ($485)
UTG ($756)
CO ($400)
BTN ($470)

Dealt to Hero 2

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $12, BB calls $8,

FLOP ($24) 4

Hero bets $24, BB calls $24,

TURN ($72) 4

Hero bets $72, BB calls $72,

RIVER ($216) 4

Hero ?

Villain has $377 left, I cover.

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02-11-2009 , 08:48 AM

jnpn

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 647

CRAI

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02-11-2009 , 08:54 AM

Kurukuku2

centurion

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Originally Posted by jnpn

CRAI

Why?

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02-11-2009 , 08:59 AM

herbstl

adept

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Originally Posted by Kurukuku2

Why?

because we want all of his money ?

But I am not sure if maybe a c/rai is better than a b/c. If he was on a busted draw he won't call a bet but will maybe bet himself. If he has 99 or something he maybe calls a river bet, too.

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02-11-2009 , 09:01 AM

shandyboy

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bet the most u think he will call with.

i think vs this payer i just shovel it in. He will call with worse ALOT.
fish will instantly put u on missed clubs and call with KQ or whatever. Plus his random 2 pair hands.

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02-11-2009 , 09:09 AM

JFsports

Pooh-Bah

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I prefer betting to checking, I think the value you get from betting > than the value from him betting and sometimes calling it off to your CR

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02-11-2009 , 09:11 AM

jnpn

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Originally Posted by Kurukuku2

Why?

Based on what you said, he seems to be the type of fish that will call you down with trash until either he hits or you show weakness (in which case he spews). I would bet out if he was a more passive calling station but with this guy I think you get him to put his chips in more often, and with a weaker range, when you check to induce. After he bets you are still ahead of his range, and he will call the all-in with a ton of hands that you beat.

Also, with this board he can very easily have a busted flush or straight draw, in which case you won't get any calls out of him on the river but can definitely induce a bluff.

Last edited by jnpn; 02-11-2009 at 09:19 AM.

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02-11-2009 , 09:55 AM

Kurukuku2

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 125

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,199)
BB ($485)
UTG ($756)
CO ($400)
BTN ($470)

Dealt to Hero 2

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $12, BB calls $8,

FLOP ($24) 4

Hero bets $24, BB calls $24,

TURN ($72) 4

Hero bets $72, BB calls $72,

RIVER ($216) 4

Hero bets $216, BB raises to $377, Hero calls $161,

Hero shows 2

(Flop 86.7%, Turn 78.4%)

BB shows A

(Flop 13.3%, Turn 21.6%)

BB wins $968

Thoughts?

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02-11-2009 , 10:01 AM

shandyboy

adept

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nh. U played it fine.

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02-11-2009 , 10:07 AM

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jnpn

grinder

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Happens. This is why I like the CR. The range of hands he is getting all in with on the river when you bet out is so much stronger than when you CR. Obviously you are going to be all in and lose no matter what in this hand, but I'm talking long run.

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02-11-2009 , 10:21 AM

#11

Kurukuku2

centurion

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I think I would check/call if I had to play this hand again. I didn't see the 3rd heart falling on the river, that's why I bet out hoping to get a call from any made hand like TP, 2 pair or set, whatever thing he might have been calling all the way with.

CRAI sounds decent too, btw, unsure of its EV as opposed to c/c

I'd say, c/c > c/r > b/c >>> c/f

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02-11-2009 , 10:27 AM

#12

shandyboy

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C/R > C/C.

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02-11-2009 , 11:00 AM

#13

DA TRUF!

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Originally Posted by Kurukuku2

Stop being results oriented.

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02-11-2009 , 01:06 PM

#14

jnpn

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02-11-2009 , 01:28 PM

#15

Praetor

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givne ur read check the turn

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02-11-2009 , 02:35 PM

#16

3 bet lite

newbie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurukuku2

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,199)
BB ($485)
UTG ($756)
CO ($400)
BTN ($470)

Dealt to Hero 2

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $12, BB calls $8,

FLOP ($24) 4

Hero bets $24, BB calls $24,

TURN ($72) 4

Hero bets $72, BB calls $72,

RIVER ($216) 4

Hero bets $216, BB raises to $377, Hero calls $161,

Hero shows 2

(Flop 86.7%, Turn 78.4%)

BB shows A

(Flop 13.3%, Turn 21.6%)

BB wins $968

Thoughts?

I hope you get his money before someone else does.

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02-11-2009 , 02:47 PM

#17

Raised2Win

old hand

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Originally Posted by jnpn

his range is not strong enough for us to go for check raise.
he calls so many hands on the river that he would otherwise check behind.

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02-11-2009 , 02:47 PM

#18

Raised2Win

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Originally Posted by 3 bet lite

I hope you get his money before someone else does.

What do u mean ? the villain played it perfect.

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02-11-2009 , 02:50 PM

#19

CitizenJames

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Do NOT c/r imo. If he had some form of draw he would have raised flop. Shoving yourself for an overbet is most profitable here, I think. He'll talk himself into thinking that you couldn't be shoving anything for value after the hearts get there too and put you on missed clubs or something.

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02-11-2009 , 03:25 PM

#20

oneforme

journeyman

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Why dont you trust your read and check the turn?

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02-11-2009 , 03:55 PM

#21

kk405

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Originally Posted by shandyboy

C/R > C/C.

C/R = C/C...the agro player you describe will omst likely go all-in on the river, knowing that you may put him on a pair, 2 pair, inferior hand.... results would be the same no matter what....

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02-11-2009 , 04:51 PM

#22

amoeba

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I don't get why you don't check raise the turn.

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02-11-2009 , 06:20 PM

#23

gorlom

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I like cr turn but as played I either fakeblockbet very small to give him rope to spazz out or I just overshove if he's rather passive.

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02-11-2009 , 06:57 PM

#24

AAismyfriend

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Jam the river yourself or bet smallish/call a shove. If you're going to bet/call the river you should be betting smaller since he's never going to bluff shove over this size bet.

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